36th Parliament, 1st Session

No. 253 No 253

Votes and

Proceedings

Procès-verbaux

Legislative Assembly

of Ontario

Assemblée législative

de l'Ontario

1st Session,

36th Parliament

1re session,

36e législature

Monday,

December 1, 1997

Lundi

1er décembre 1997

PRAYERS

1:30 P.M.

PRIÈRES

13 H 30

The Speaker informed the House that, in the name of Her Majesty the Queen, Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor had been pleased to assent to the following bills in her office on November 28, 1997:-

Le Président avise l'Assemblée qu'au nom de Sa Majesté la Reine, Son Honneur la lieutenante-gouverneure a eu le plaisir de sanctionner les projets de loi suivants dans son cabinet le 28 novembre 1997:-

Bill 61, An Act to simplify government processes and to improve efficiency in the Ministry of the Attorney General.

Projet de loi 61, Loi visant à simplifier les processus gouvernementaux et à améliorer l'efficience au ministère du Procureur général.

Bill 96, An Act to Consolidate and Revise the Law with respect to Residential Tenancies.

Projet de loi 96, Loi codifiant et révisant le droit de la location à usage d'habitation.

Bill 142, An Act to revise the law related to Social Assistance by enacting the Ontario Works Act and the Ontario Disability Support Program Act, by repealing the Family Benefits Act, the Vocational Rehabilitation Services Act and the General Welfare Assistance Act and by amending several other Statutes.

Projet de loi 142, Loi révisant la loi relative à l'aide sociale en édictant la Loi sur le programme Ontario au travail et la Loi sur le Programme ontarien de soutien aux personnes handicapées, en abrogeant la Loi sur les prestations familiales, la Loi sur les services de réadaptation professionnelle et la Loi sur l'aide sociale générale et en modifiant plusieurs autres lois.

Bill 148, An Act to deal with matters relating to the establishment of the new City of Toronto.

Projet de loi 148, Loi traitant de questions se rapportant à la constitution de la nouvelle cité de Toronto.

DEFERRED VOTES

VOTES DIFFÉRÉS

At 1:50 p.m., the deferred vote on the motion for Third Reading of Bill 160, An Act to reform the education system, protect classroom funding, and enhance accountability, and make other improvements consistent with the Government's education quality agenda, including improved student achievement and regulated class size was carried on the following division:-

À 13 h 50, la motion portant troisième lecture du projet de loi 160, Loi visant à réformer le système scolaire, à protéger le financement des classes, à accroître l'obligation de rendre compte et à apporter d'autres améliorations compatibles avec la politique du gouvernement en matière de qualité de l'éducation, y compris l'amélioration du rendement des élèves et la réglementation de l'effectif des classes, mise aux voix sur le vote différé, est adoptée par le vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 81

Arnott Harnick Parker

Baird Harris Pettit

Barrett Hastings Preston

Bassett Hodgson Rollins

Beaubien Hudak Ross

Boushy Jackson Runciman

Brown Johns Sampson

(Scarborough West) Johnson Saunderson

Carr (Brantford) Shea

Carroll Johnson Sheehan

Chudleigh (Don Mills) Skarica

Clement Johnson Smith

Cunningham (Perth) Snobelen

Danford Jordan Spina

DeFaria Kells Sterling

Doyle Klees Stewart

Ecker Leach Tascona

Elliott Leadston Tilson

Eves Marland Tsubouchi

Fisher Martiniuk Turnbull

Flaherty Maves Vankoughnet

Ford McLean Villeneuve

Fox Munro Wettlaufer

Froese Murdoch Wilson

Galt Mushinski Witmer

Gilchrist Newman Wood

Grimmett O'Toole (London South)

Guzzo Ouellette Young

Hardeman Palladini

NAYS / CONTRE - 48

Agostino Curling McGuinty

Bartolucci Duncan McLeod

Bisson Gerretsen Miclash

Boyd Grandmaître Morin

Bradley Gravelle North

Brown Hampton Patten

(Algoma-Manitoulin) Hoy Phillips

Caplan Kennedy Pouliot

Castrilli Kormos Pupatello

Christopherson Kwinter Ramsay

Churley Lalonde Ruprecht

Cleary Lankin Sergio

Colle Laughren Silipo

Conway Lessard Wildman

Cordiano Marchese Wood

Crozier Martel (Cochrane North)

Cullen Martin

And the Bill was accordingly read the third time and was passed.

En conséquence, ce projet de loi est lu une troisième fois et adopté.

Following the deferred vote on Bill 160, due to disruptions, the Speaker ordered the West Gallery to be cleared and recessed the House for 15 minutes.

PETITIONS

PÉTITIONS

Petition relating to Stopping the Funding of Abortions (Sessional Paper No. P-93) (Tabled December 1, 1997) Mr D. Boushy.

Petition relating to Withdrawal of Bill 136 (Sessional Paper No. P-290) (Tabled December 1, 1997) Mr T. Arnott.

Petitions relating to Bill 160, Education Quality Improvement Act, 1997 (Sessional Paper No. P-321) (Tabled December 1, 1997) Mr M. Colle, Mr B. Crozier, Mr M. Gravelle and Mr R. Marchese.

Petition relating to Red Cross Pay Equity issue (Sessional Paper No. P-328) (Tabled December 1, 1997) Mr T. Martin.

Petition relating to Holding a province-wide referendum on Bill 160 (Sessional Paper No. P-329) (Tabled December 1, 1997) Mr D. Ramsay.

Pétition ayant rapport à la Loi de 1997 sur l'amélioration de la qualité de l'éducation (Sessional Paper No. P-330) (Tabled December 1, 1997) Mr B. Grandmaître.

Petition relating to the Splitting of Bill 160 (Sessional Paper No. P-333) (Tabled December 1, 1997) Mr J. Bradley.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORDRE DU JOUR

Opposition Day

Jour de l'opposition

With unanimous consent, in the absence of Mr Hampton, Mr Christopherson moved,

Avec le consentement unanime, en l'absence de M. Hampton, M. Christopherson propose,

Whereas the Mike Harris Conservatives in 1995 campaigned on a promise to offer Ontarians more "direct democracy"; and

Whereas Premier Harris issued a White Paper advocating citizen initiated referenda on important issues in Ontario; and

Whereas the Standing Committee on the Legislative Assembly, dominated by members of the Mike Harris Conservative Caucus recommended that the government be forced to conduct a binding referendum when the signatures of 10 percent of eligible voters are collected asking for a referendum; and

Whereas the majority report of the Standing Committee, including the then Parliamentary Assistant to the Premier, the Member for Brampton South, stated: "In an initiative, it is the citizenry, not the political elite or the media, who are determining what is an appropriate issue for a referendum"; and

Whereas parent groups throughout the province, and especially in Toronto, Peel, Hamilton, and Ottawa, initiated a petition campaign calling for a referendum on the government's Bill 160, the Education Quality Improvement Act, 1997; and

Whereas the New Democratic Party Caucus has responded to this citizens' initiative by carrying the referendum petition campaign to every corner of the province;

Therefore, this House agrees that the provincial government should hold a binding referendum on the withdrawal or repeal of Bill 160, whichever the case may be; and

That the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer shall conduct a binding referendum vote in accordance with the rules recommended by the Standing Committee on the Legislative Assembly.

A debate arising, after some time, the motion was lost on the following division:-

Un débat s'ensuit et après quelque temps, la motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 33

Bartolucci Duncan Miclash

Bisson Grandmaître Patten

Boyd Gravelle Phillips

Bradley Hampton Pouliot

Caplan Kennedy Ramsay

Christopherson Kormos Sergio

Churley Kwinter Silipo

Colle Lankin Wildman

Conway Laughren Wood

Cordiano Marchese (Cochrane North)

Crozier Martel

Curling Martin

NAYS / CONTRE - 69

Arnott Grimmett Pettit

Baird Guzzo Preston

Barrett Hardeman Rollins

Beaubien Harnick Runciman

Boushy Harris Sampson

Brown Hastings Shea

(Scarborough West) Hodgson Sheehan

Carr Hudak Skarica

Carroll Jackson Smith

Chudleigh Johns Snobelen

Clement Johnson Spina

Cunningham (Don Mills) Sterling

NAYS / CONTRE - Continued

Danford Johnson Stewart

DeFaria (Perth) Tsubouchi

Doyle Jordan Turnbull

Ecker Klees Vankoughnet

Elliott Leach Villeneuve

Eves Leadston Wettlaufer

Fisher Marland Wilson

Flaherty Martiniuk Witmer

Ford Munro Wood

Fox Mushinski (London South)

Froese O'Toole Young

Galt Ouellette

Gilchrist Parker

The House then adjourned

at 6:10 p.m.

À 18 h 10, la chambre a ensuite

ajourné ses travaux.

6:30 P.M.

18 H 30

A debate arose on the motion for Third Reading of Bill 152, An Act to improve Services, increase Efficiency and benefit Taxpayers by eliminating Duplication and reallocating Responsibilities between Provincial and Municipal Governments in various areas and to implement other aspects of the Government's "Who Does What" Agenda.

Il s'élève un débat sur la motion portant troisième lecture du projet de loi 152, Loi visant à améliorer les services, à accroître l'efficience et à procurer des avantages aux contribuables en éliminant le double emploi et en redistribuant les responsabilités entre le gouvernement provincial et les municipalités dans divers secteurs et visant à mettre en oeuvre d'autres aspects du programme «Qui fait quoi» du gouvernement.

At 9:15 p.m., pursuant to the Order of the House of September 16, 1997, the Speaker interrupted the proceedings and the question having been put, the Speaker declared his opinion that the Ayes had it, and a recorded vote having been demanded,

À 21 h 15, conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 16 septembre 1997, le Président interrompt les délibérations, la motion mise aux voix, et déclare qu'à son avis les voix favorables l'emportent et un vote inscrit a été exigé,

The Speaker directed that the Members be called in, for which purpose the division bells were rung.

Le Président donne des directives pour convoquer les députés et la sonnerie d'appel est retentit à cette fin.

During the ringing of the bells, the Speaker addressed the House as follows:-

Pendant la sonnerie d'appel, le Président s'adresse à l'Assemblée en ces mots:-

I have received a request from the Chief Government Whip, under Standing Order 28(h), that the vote on the motion for Third Reading of Bill 152, An Act to improve Services, increase Efficiency and benefit Taxpayers by eliminating Duplication and reallocating Responsibilities between Provincial and Municipal Governments in various areas and to implement other aspects of the Government's "Who Does What" Agenda be deferred until Tuesday, December 2, 1997.

J'ai reçu une requête du Whip en chef du gouvernement, conformément à l'article 28(h) du Règlement, que le vote sur la motion portant troisième lecture du projet de loi 152, Loi visant à améliorer les services, à accroître l'efficience et à procurer des avantages aux contribuables en éliminant le double emploi et en redistribuant les responsabilités entre le gouvernement provincial et les municipalités dans divers secteurs et visant à mettre en oeuvre d'autres aspects du programme «Qui fait quoi» du gouvernement soit différé jusqu'au mardi 2 décembre 1997.

Therefore the vote is accordingly deferred.

En conséquence, le vote est différé.

The House then adjourned

at 9:20 p.m.

À 21 h 20, la chambre a ensuite

ajourné ses travaux.

le président

Christopher M. Stockwell

Speaker

Sessional Papers Presented Pursuant to Standing Order 39(a):-

Documents Parlementaires Déposés Conformément à l'article 39(a) du Règlement:-

Judicial Appointments Advisory Committee, Annual Report for the Period from 1 January 1996 to 31 December 1996 (No. 614) (Tabled December 1, 1997).

Northern Ontario Heritage Fund Corporation / Société de Gestion du Fonds du Patrimoine du Nord de l'Ontario, Annual Report for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1997 (No. 612) (Tabled December 1, 1997).

Office of the Police Complaints Commissioner / Bureau du commissaire aux plaintes contre la police, Annual Report 1996 (No. 613) (Tabled December 1, 1997).

Questions Answered (see Sessional Paper No. 5):-

Final Answer to Question Number: 2107.

Responses to Petitions:-

Réponses aux Pétitions:-

Petition relating to Outsourcing or privatization of professional support staff services of the educational system under Bill 104 (Sessional Paper No. P-240):

(Tabled September 16, 1997) Mr D. Ford.

Petitions relating to The Wellesley Central Hospital (Sessional Paper No. P-314):

(Tabled September 17, 18, 1997) Mrs M. Boyd.