36th Parliament, 1st Session

No. 175 No 175

Votes and

Proceedings

Procès-verbaux

Legislative Assembly

of Ontario

Assemblée législative

de l'Ontario

1st Session,

36th Parliament

1re session,

36e législature

Tuesday,

April 1, 1997

Mardi

1er avril 1997

PRAYERS

1:30 P.M.

PRIÈRES

13 H 30

PETITIONS

PÉTITIONS

Petition relating to the Resignation of Mike Harris (Sessional Paper No. P-43) (Tabled April 1, 1997) Mr R. Marchese.

Petition relating to Amalgamating the six municipalities within Toronto (Sessional Paper No. P-179) (Tabled April 1, 1997) Mr T. Ruprecht.

Pétition ayant rapport à la Route 17 (Sessional Paper No. P-220) (Tabled April 1, 1997) Mr J.-M. Lalonde.

Petitions relating to Restructuring the provincial-municipal relationship (Sessional Paper No. P-228) (Tabled April 1, 1997) Mrs L. McLeod, Mr F. Miclash, Mr B. Wildman and Mr B. Wood (London South).

Petition relating to the Final phase of renovations at Macassa Lodge (Sessional Paper No. P-233) (Tabled April 1, 1997) Ms S. Martel.

Petition relating to Outsourcing or privatization of professional support staff services of the educational system under Bill 104 (Sessional Paper No. P-240) (Tabled April 1, 1997) Mrs M. Boyd.

REPORTS BY COMMITTEES

RAPPORTS DES COMITÉS

Mr Maves from the Standing Committee on General Government presented the Committee's report which was read as follows and adopted:-

M. Maves du Comité permanent des affaires gouvernementales présente le rapport du comité qui est lu comme suit et adopté:-

Your Committee begs to report the following Bill without amendment:-

Votre comité propose qu'il soit permis de faire rapport sur le projet de loi suivant sans amendement:-

Bill 103, An Act to replace the seven existing municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto by incorporating a new municipality to be known as the City of Toronto.

Projet de loi 103, Loi visant à remplacer les sept administrations municipales existantes de la communauté urbaine de Toronto en constituant une nouvelle municipalité appelée la cité de Toronto.

Pursuant to the Order of the House of January 29, 1997, this Bill stands referred to the Committee of the Whole House.

Conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 29 janvier 1997, ce projet de loi demeure déféré au Comité plénier.

Ms Castrilli from the Standing Committee on Social Development presented the Committee's report which was read as follows and adopted:-

Mme Castrilli du Comité permanent des affaires sociales présente le rapport du comité qui est lu comme suit et adopté:-

Your Committee begs to report the following Bill as amended:-

Votre comité propose qu'il soit permis de faire rapport sur le projet de loi suivant avec des amendements:-

Bill 104, An Act to improve the accountability, effectiveness and quality of Ontario's school system by permitting a reduction in the number of school boards, establishing an Education Improvement Commission to oversee the transition to the new system, providing for certain matters related to elections in 1997 and making other improvements to the Education Act and the Municipal Elections Act, 1996.

Projet de loi 104, Loi visant à accroître l'obligation de rendre compte, l'efficacité et la qualité du système scolaire ontarien en permettant la réduction du nombre des conseils scolaires, en créant la Commission d'amélioration de l'éducation, chargée d'encadrer la transition vers le nouveau système, en prévoyant certaines questions liées aux élections de 1997 et en apportant d'autres améliorations à la Loi sur l'éducation et à la Loi de 1996 sur les élections municipales.

Pursuant to the Order of the House of February 6, 1997, this Bill stands referred to the Committee of the Whole House.

Conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 6 février 1997, ce projet de loi demeure déféré au Comité plénier.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORDRE DU JOUR

Opposition Day

Jour de l'opposition

Mr Hampton moved,

M. Hampton propose,

Whereas the Harris Conservative government is refusing to listen to the voices of citizens in East York, Etobicoke, North York, Scarborough, Toronto and York who have clearly rejected the Harris government's megacity proposal in Bill 103; and

Whereas the Harris Conservative government has ignored the concerns expressed by parents and educators about the grab for central control of schools in Bill 104; and

Whereas the Harris Conservative government, by appointing trustees to oversee actions of elected municipal councils before final passage of Bill 103, has shown no regard for the role of the Legislative Assembly; and

Whereas the Harris Conservative government, by appointing committee vice chairs with powers over elected school boards before final passage of Bill 104, has shown no regard for the authority of the Legislative Assembly; and

Whereas the Harris Conservative government is taking control of schools away from elected local school board members so that it can cut education spending to fund its tax cut scheme; and

Whereas the Harris Conservative government, while slashing $1.3 billion from Ontario hospitals, is ordering hospitals closed before ensuring that community services are in place to meet health needs; and

Whereas the Harris Conservative government is downloading the costs of welfare, long-term care, public health, housing, public transit, libraries, police, child care, ambulance services and other social services to find money to pay for its tax cut scheme;

Whereas the Harris Conservative government, instead of seeking real input for its proposals, has spent millions of taxpayers' dollars on slick advertising campaigns intended to shore up sagging Tory support; and

Whereas the Harris Conservative government set the tone for its bully tactics by passing the anti-worker Bill 7 without a single minute of public hearings, then trying to ram the omnibus Bill 26 though the Legislative Assembly without listening to the province-wide concerns;

Therefore this House calls on the government to withdraw Bill 103 and Bill 104; to make a new start on reforming municipal and education governance in Ontario; to stop cutting base funding of hospitals; allow communities to determine how to restructure their hospital services and ensure that community services are in place before hospitals are closed; to embrace a process that gives all citizens a chance to have their voices heard; and to reverse the decision to download social service costs onto municipal taxpayers.

A debate arising, after some time, the motion was lost on the following division:-

Un débat s'ensuit et après quelque temps, la motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 32

Bartolucci Gravelle Miclash

Bisson Hampton Morin

Boyd Hoy Patten

Bradley Kennedy Phillips

Brown Kormos Pouliot

(Algoma-Manitoulin) Lalonde Ruprecht

Chiarelli Lankin Sergio

Christopherson Laughren Silipo

Churley Marchese Wood

Cordiano Martel (Cochrane North)

Crozier Martin

Gerretsen McLeod

NAYS / CONTRE - 61

Arnott Hardeman Newman

Baird Harnick O'Toole

Barrett Hastings Ouellette

Beaubien Jackson Palladini

Boushy Johns Parker

Carr Johnson Rollins

Carroll (Brantford) Ross

NAYS / CONTRE - Continued

Chudleigh Johnson Runciman

Danford (Don Mills) Shea

DeFaria Johnson Spina

Doyle (Perth) Sterling

Elliott Jordan Stewart

Eves Kells Tascona

Fisher Klees Tilson

Flaherty Leach Tsubouchi

Ford Leadston Vankoughnet

Fox Marland Villeneuve

Froese Martiniuk Wettlaufer

Galt Maves Wood

Gilchrist McLean (London South)

Grimmett Munro Young

Guzzo Murdoch

The House then adjourned

at 6:00 p.m.

À 18 h, la chambre a ensuite

ajourné ses travaux.

le président

Christopher M. Stockwell

Speaker

Sessional Papers Presented Pursuant to Standing Order 39(c):-

Documents Parlementaires Déposés Conformément à l'article 39(c) du Règlement:-

George R. Gardiner Museum of Ceramic Art, Annual Report July 1995-1996 (No. 370) (Tabled March 11, 1997).

Loan and Trust Corporations, Report of the Superintendent of Deposit Institutions for the 12-month period ending March 31, 1996 (No. 368) (Tabled March 7, 1997).

Part-time appointments re intended Order-in-Council dated March 5, 1997 (No. 367) (Tabled March 7, 1997).

Public Sector Salary Disclosure Act, 1996, Disclosure for 1996 under the / Loi sur la divulgation des traitements dans le secteur public, Divulgation pour 1996 en vertu de la (No. 372) (Tabled April 1, 1997).

Royal Ontario Museum / Musée Royal de l'Ontario, Annual Report July 1995 to June 1996 (No. 369) (Tabled March 11, 1997).

Standing Committee on Government Agencies Thirty-fourth Report / Rapport trente-quatrième (No. 371) (Tabled March 27, 1997).

Questions Answered (see Sessional Paper No. 5):-

Final Answers to Question Numbers: 1032, 1037.

Answers to Questions Tabled March 11, 1997 (see Sessional Paper No. 5):-

Final Answers to Question Numbers: 787, 793, 794, 797, 813, 829 to 837, 934.

Responses to Petitions Tabled March 11, 1997:-

Petition relating to Amalgamating the six municipalities within Toronto (Sessional Paper No. P-179):

(Tabled February 25, 1997) Ms M. Churley.

(Tabled February 25, 1997) Mr G. Kennedy.

(Tabled February 26, 1997) Mr M. Sergio.

Petition relating to the Mail-in referendum for the City of Scarborough (Sessional Paper No. P-219):

(Tabled February 26, 27, 1997) Mr D. Newman.

Petition relating to the Mail-in referendum for the Borough of East York (Sessional Paper No. P-229):

(Tabled February 26, 27, 1997) Mr J. Parker.

Answers to Questions Tabled March 13, 1997 (see Sessional Paper No. 5):-

Final Answers to Question Numbers: 776, 778, 795, 909 to 913, 998.

Responses to Petitions Tabled March 13, 1997:-

Petition relating to Maintaining Public Library Service (Sessional Paper No. P-95):

(Tabled March 3, 1997) Mr J.-M. Lalonde.

Petition relating to the Present structure of School Boards (Sessional Paper No. P-168):

(Tabled February 17, 18, 1997) Mr T. Froese.

Petition relating to Bill 84, Fire Protection and Prevention Act, 1996 (Sessional Paper No. P-197):

(Tabled February 27, 1997) Mr J. Bradley.

(Tabled February 26, 27, March 3, 4, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

(Tabled February 26, 1997) Ms M. Churley.

(Tabled February 27, 1997) Mr B. Crozier.

(Tabled March 3, 1997) Mr A. Curling.

(Tabled February 27, 1997) Mr M. Kwinter.

(Tabled February 27, 1997) Ms F. Lankin.

(Tabled February 26, 27, 1997) Ms S. Martel.

(Tabled February 26, 1997) Mr T. Martin.

(Tabled February 27, 1997) Mrs L. McLeod.

(Tabled February 26, 1997) Mr R. Patten.

(Tabled February 27, 1997) Mr L. Wood (Cochrane North).

Petition relating to Cuts to base funding for hospitals and the removal of hospital services (Sessional Paper No. P-214):

(Tabled February 25, 1997) Mr D. Boushy.

(Tabled February 27, 1997) Mr J. Bradley.

(Tabled February 19, 1997) Mr T. Chudleigh.

(Tabled February 27, 1997) Mrs B. Elliott.

(Tabled February 27, 1997) Mr B. Maves.

(Tabled February 26, 1997) Mr A. McLean.

(Tabled February 26, 1997) Mr B. Murdoch.

(Tabled February 19, 26, March 3, 1997) Mrs S. Pupatello.

Petition relating to Restructuring the provincial-municipal relationship (Sessional Paper No. P-228):

(Tabled February 26, 1997) Mr F. Miclash.

(Tabled February 25, 26, 1997) Mr L. Wood (Cochrane North).

Petition relating to Maintaining community-based Sexual Assault Crisis Centres (Sessional Paper No. P-231):

(Tabled February 27, 1997) Ms M. Churley.

Answers to Questions Tabled March 19, 1997 (see Sessional Paper No. 5):-

Final Answers to Question Numbers: 815, 825.

Responses to Petitions Tabled March 19, 1997:-

Petition relating to Amalgamating the six municipalities within Toronto (Sessional Paper No. P-179):

(Tabled March 4, 1997) Mr J. Bradley.

(Tabled March 4, 1997) Mr A. Curling.

Petition relating to Bill 103, City of Toronto Act, 1996 (Sessional Paper No. P-217):

(Tabled March 3, 1997) Ms M. Churley.

Petition relating to Bill 104, Fewer School Boards Act, 1997 (Sessional Paper No. P-227):

(Tabled February 25, March, 3, 1997) Ms M. Churley.

(Tabled March 6, 1997) Mr T. Ruprecht.

Petition relating to Provincially and Federally-Provincially funded housing co-operatives (Sessional Paper No. P-230):

(Tabled February 27, 1997) Ms M. Boyd.

Answers to Questions Tabled March 24, 1997 (see Sessional Paper No. 5):-

Final Answers to Question Numbers: 929, 930, 947 to 956, 958 to 960, 966 to 969, 975 to 979, 996, 997, 1003, 1004, 1031, 1033, 1034, 1038, 1050 to 1052, 1080, 1081, 1093, 1094, 1101 to 1111, 1131 to 1145.

Responses to Petitions Tabled March 24, 1997:-

Petition relating to Health Care Funding (Sessional Paper No. P-25):

(Tabled February 26, 1997) Mr B. Crozier.

Petition relating to TVOntario (Sessional Paper No. P-117):

(Tabled March 5, 1997) Mr M. Gravelle.

Petition relating to Amalgamating the six municipalities within Toronto (Sessional Paper No. P-179):

(Tabled March 5, 1997) Mr M. Sergio.

Petition relating to Bill 84, Fire Protection and Prevention Act, 1996 (Sessional Paper No. P-197):

(Tabled March 5, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

(Tabled March 6, 1997) Mrs B. Elliott.

(Tabled March 5, 6, 1997) Mr T. Froese.

(Tabled March 6, 1997) Mr R. Johnson (Brantford).

(Tabled March 5, 1997) Mr G. Martiniuk.

(Tabled March 5, 1997) Mr D. Rollins.

Petition relating to Bill 110, School Class Sizes Act, 1997 (Sessional Paper No. P-206):

(Tabled March 3, 1997) Mr G. Kennedy.

(Tabled March 6, 1997) Mr R. Bartolucci.

Pétition ayant rapport aux Bibliothèques Publiques (Sessional Paper No. P-223):

(Tabled March 5, 6, 1997) Mr J.-M. Lalonde.

Petition relating to Restoring equitable health care funding across Windsor and Essex County (Sessional Paper No. P-226):

(Tabled February 25, 26, 1997) Mrs S. Pupatello.

Petition relating to Restructuring the provincial-municipal relationship (Sessional Paper No. P-228):

(Tabled March 6, 1997) Mr E. Hardeman.

(Tabled March 5, 1997) Mr D. Ramsay.

(Tabled March 6, 1997) Mr W. Wettlalufer.

Petition relating to the Recommendation that the Social Development Committee travel across Ontario for hearings on Bill 110 (Sessional Paper No. P-232):

(Tabled March 3, 1997) Mr R. Bartolucci.

Petition relating to Maintaining day school programs for adult students (Sessional Paper No. P-238):

(Tabled March 6, 1997) Ms M. Churley.

Petition relating to the Proposed downloading of 50% of the cost of services onto municipal government in the City of Kingston (Sessional Paper No. P-239):

(Tabled March 6, 1997) Mr J. Gerretson.

Petition relating to Outsourcing or privatization of professional support staff services of the educational system under Bill 104 (Sessional Paper No. P-240):

(Tabled March 6, 1997) Ms F. Lankin.

Answers to Questions Tabled March 25, 1997 (see Sessional Paper No. 5):-

Final Answers to Question Numbers: 905 to 907, 931, 982, 993 to 995, 999 to 1002, 1005 to 1029, 1035, 1036, 1045 to 1049, 1075 to 1079, 1083 to 1092, 1096 to 1100, 1112, 1113.

Responses to Petitions Tabled March 25, 1997:-

Petition relating to North York Branson Hospital (Sessional Paper No. P-15):

(Tabled February 26, 27, March 3, 5, 1997) Mr M. Kwinter.

Petition relating to the Child Care System (Sessional Paper No. P-27):

(Tabled March 3, 1997) Mr T. Ruprecht.

Petition relating to Cuts to base funding for hospitals and the removal of hospital services (Sessional Paper No. P-214):

(Tabled March 5, 1997) Mrs B. Fisher.

(Tabled March 4, 1997) Mr L. Jordan.

(Tabled March 4, 1997) Mr F. Miclash.

Petition relating to the Right to life for unborn children under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Sessional Paper No. P-225):

(Tabled February 24, 1997) Mr D. Shea.

Petition relating to the Final phase of renovations at Macassa Lodge (Sessional Paper No. P-233):

(Tabled March 3, 1997) Mr T. Pettit.

Petition relating to Regulated Health Care Workers (Sessional Paper No. P-234):

(Tabled March 4, 1997) Mr J. Cleary.

Pétition ayant rapport à L'Hôpital Montfort (Sessional Paper No. P-235):

(Tabled March 5, 1997) Mr G. Morin.

Petition relating to Resolution #67 presented by Mrs S. Pupatello (Sessional Paper No. P-236):

(Tabled March 5, 1997) Mr J. O'Toole.

Petition relating to St. Peter's Chronic Care Hospital (Sessional Paper No. P-237):

(Tabled March 6, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

Answers to Questions Tabled March 26, 1997 (see Sessional Paper No. 5):-

Final Answers to Question Numbers: 946, 983, 1053 to 1074, 1114 to 1130, 1146 to 1151.

Responses to Petitions Tabled March 26, 1997:-

Petition relating to Strengthening measures against impaired drivers in Ontario (Sessional Paper No. P-102):

(Tabled February 27, March 4, 1997) Mr J. Baird.

(Tabled March 4, 1997) Mr T. Barrett.

(Tabled March 4, 1997) Mr D. Galt.

(Tabled March 4, 1997) Mrs M. Marland.

Petition relating to Workers Health and Safety Centre and Occupational Health Clinics (Sessional Paper No. P-118) :

(Tabled March 4, 5, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

Petition relating to Not altering the Occupational Health and Safety Act or eroding the rights of workers (Sessional Paper No. P-162):

(Tabled February 27, March 3, 4, 5, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

(Tabled March 5, 1997) Ms F. Lankin.

Pétition ayant rapport à la Route 17 (Sessional Paper No. P-220):

(Tabled February 17, 26, 1997) Mr J.-M. Lalonde.

Answers to Questions Tabled March 27, 1997 (see Sessional Paper No. 5):-

Final Answers to Question Numbers: 928, 935, 940, 943, 944, 957, 964, 965, 970, 980, 984 to 992, 1030, 1039 to 1044, 1082, 1095.