CONTENTS
Monday 20 November 1995
Subcommittee report
STANDING COMMITTEE ON ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
*Chair / Président: Martiniuk, Gerry (Cambridge PC)
*Vice-Chair / Vice-Président: Johnson, Ron (Brantford PC)
*Boyd, Marion (London Centre / -Centre ND)
Chiarelli, Robert (Ottawa West / -Ouest L)
Conway, Sean G. (Renfrew North / -Nord L)
*Doyle, Ed (Wentworth East / -Est PC)
Guzzo, Garry J. (Ottawa-Rideau PC)
Hampton, Howard (Rainy River ND)
*Hudak, Tim (Niagara South / -Sud PC)
*Klees, Frank (York-Mackenzie PC)
*Leadston, Gary L. (Kitchener-Wilmot PC)
*Parker, John L. (York East / -Est PC)
*Ramsay, David (Timiskaming L)
*Tilson, David (Dufferin-Peel PC)
*In attendance / présents
Substitutions present / Membres remplaçants présents:
Skarica, Toni (Wentworth North) for Mr Guzzo
Clerk / Greffière: Bryce, Donna
Staff / Personnel: Stobo, Carolyn, research officer, Legislative Research Service
The committee met at 1536 in committee room 2.
SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT
The Chair (Mr Gerry Martiniuk): I see a quorum. Can we proceed? I firstly call this meeting to order. I'll read the report of the subcommittee into the record.
"Your subcommittee met on November 14, 1995, and recommends that consideration of Bill 11, An Act to amend the Expropriations Act and the Human Rights Code with respect to property rights, be postponed."
I would ask for a mover to adopt the report.
Mrs Marion Boyd (London Centre): So moved.
The Chair: Any discussion or amendments?
Mr David Ramsay (Timiskaming): Just a question. Does the subcommittee have any recommendation of when we may be considering this bill?
The Chair: No.
Mr Frank Klees (York-Mackenzie): For clarification, being new to the process, what exactly does the word "postponed" mean? Does that mean this bill can be brought forward for consideration at any time?
The Chair: The word is the same as "deferred." It could be brought back by a committee member at any time, but it's an indefinite postponement.
Mr Klees: I just want to register that I consider the issue of property rights to be one of the utmost importance. I wasn't privy to the discussions of the subcommittee as to the reason for the postponement, but I'd like it to be understood that I for one would like to see us deal with this issue at some point.
The Chair: Is there any further discussion in regard to the motion to adopt the subcommittee's report?
Mr John L. Parker (York East): I would just make the point that I would not expect our workload to be less in future than it is now and I'm assuming that the subcommittee has looked into that and satisfied itself that there will be time some time in the future to deal with this. I imagine it's being deferred because there are other matters that we should be getting on with. On that understanding, I have no problem with what's being suggested, but I just look to you for some assurance that that's in fact something we can count on.
The Chair: As it is being postponed, it still means it's on our agenda and can be revived at any time by the committee if they see fit.
Is there any further discussion? If not, I'll put the question. All those in favour of the motion? Carried.
I understand Mr Ramsay might wish to make a motion.
Mr Ramsay: I move that Mr Ramsay replace Mr Chiarelli as the permanent member of the subcommittee on committee business.
Mr David Tilson (Dufferin-Peel): On a point of order, Mr Chair: Isn't that normally done in the House? I'm not objecting to it. I'm just asking a question on procedure. My understanding is that the House votes as to who sits on this committee.
Mr Ramsay: No, I said the subcommittee. I'm just replacing our representative on the subcommittee.
Mr Tilson: Oh, the subcommittee. Sorry. Sure.
The Chair: Are there any questions or any discussion in regard to the permanent substitution, I take it, of Mr Ramsay on the subcommittee? If not, all those in favour of the motion? Carried.
For the information of the committee, we do have a filing under standing order 125 made by Mr David Ramsay as he is now a member of the subcommittee. I understand that filing is in order and I would suggest that filing will be dealt with by the subcommittee at the appropriate moment. Do we need a motion? No. That's for your information.
Are there any other matters that any member of the committee would like to raise at this time?
Mr Parker: Could you let us in on what the section 125 motion is, or is that not in order?
The Chair: You mean the motion itself? If you wish. I thought the subcommittee would deal with it and then bring it before us.
Mr Parker: It would be kind of fun to know what it's about. That's all.
The Chair: I'll read it into the record. It's dated November 16, from Mr Ramsay, directed to the clerk of this committee, and it reads:
"For the purpose of standing order 125, I would like to request that the standing committee on the administration of justice meet for 12 hours to deliberate the impact of the halfway house closures and the proposal to replace this form of monitoring inmate reintegration into the community with the introduction of electronic monitoring, with particular attention paid to the experiences of other jurisdictions that have taken similar actions."
I would suggest that since there are no matters before this committee, we now adjourn at the call of the Chair, if that is suitable. Could I have a motion to that effect?
Mrs Boyd: So moved.
The Chair: Thank you very much. That concludes our business here today.
The committee adjourned at 1542.