43e législature, 1e session

Crest of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario

43rd Parliament, 1st session


43e Législature, 1re session


Votes and Proceedings


Procès-verbaux


No. 3



Nº 3



Wednesday
August 10, 2022


Mercredi
10 août 2022


Ted Arnott
Speaker

Ted Arnott
le président

9:00 A.M.

Prayers

9 H

Prières
The Speaker informed the House that the Clerk had laid upon the Table the Roll of Members elected at the General Election of 2022 (Sessional Paper No. 5ii) (Tabled June 16, 2022).
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The Speaker informed the House that Peter Tabuns, Member for the Electoral District of Toronto—Danforth, was recognized as Leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition.
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The Speaker informed the House that, in accordance with Section 87 of the Legislative Assembly Act, the names of the following persons appointed to serve on the Board of Internal Economy have been communicated to me as Chair of the Board of Internal Economy:
The Honourable Paul Calandra, MPP, is appointed by the Lieutenant Governor in Council from among the members of the Executive Council (Sessional Paper No. 11ii) (Tabled July 22, 2022);
John Vanthof, MPP, is appointed by the Caucus of the Official Opposition (Sessional Paper No. 14ii) (Tabled July 29, 2022).
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The Speaker informed the House that the following documents were tabled since the last sitting of House:

Le Président a informé l'Assemblé que, depuis la dernière séance, les documents suivants ont été déposés :

Review of the Pre-Election 2022 Multi-Year Fiscal Plan, from the Office of the Auditor General of Ontario (Sessional Paper No. 209) (Tabled May 2, 2022);

Rapport intitulé, Examen du Plan financier pluriannuel préélectoral 2022 du Bureau de la vérificatrice générale de l’Ontario (Document parlementaire no 209) (Déposé le 2 mai 2022);

Letter to the Speaker from the Government House Leader respecting the dissolution of the Select Committee on Emergency Management Oversight (Sessional Paper No. 210) (Tabled May 3, 2022);
Opinion on statement regarding the Ontario Liberal Party under s. 4(5) of the Taxpayer Protection Act, 1999 from the Chief Electoral Officer of Ontario (Sessional Paper No. 1ii) (Tabled May 13, 2022);
Opinion on statement regarding the New Democratic Party under s. 4(5) of the Taxpayer Protection Act, 1999 from the Chief Electoral Officer of Ontario (Sessional Paper No. 2ii) (Tabled May 19, 2022);

2021-2022 Annual Report, from the Office of the Integrity Commissioner of Ontario (Sessional Paper No. 3ii) (Tabled June 14, 2022);

Rapport annuel 2021-2022, du Bureau du Commissaire à l’intégrité de l’Ontario (Document parlementaire no 3ii) (Déposé le 14 juin 2022);

2021 Annual Report and Statistical Report from the Information and Privacy Commissioner of Ontario (Sessional Paper No. 4ii) (Tabled June 14, 2022);

Rapport annuel 2021 et Rapport statistique du Bureau du Commissaire à l’information et à la protection de la vie privée de l’Ontario (Document parlementaire no 4ii) (Déposé le 14 juin 2022);

2019-2020 Annual Report from the Chief Electoral Officer (Sessional Paper No. 6ii) (Tabled June 20, 2022);

Rapport annuel 2019-2020 du Bureau du Directeur général des élections de l’Ontario (Document parlementaire no 6ii) (Déposé le 20 juin 2022);

The Annual Report of the review of expense claims covering the period April 1, 2021 to March 31, 2022 pursuant to the Cabinet Ministers’ and Opposition Leaders’ Expenses Review and Accountability Act, 2002 from the Office of the Integrity Commissioner of Ontario (Sessional Paper No. 7ii) (Tabled June 21, 2022);

Rapport annuel sur l’examen des demandes de remboursement présentées entre le 1er avril 2021 et le 31 mars 2022 effectué en vertu de la Loi de 2002 sur l’examen des dépenses des ministres et des chefs d’un parti de l’opposition et l’obligation de rendre compte du Bureau du Commissaire à l’intégrité de l’Ontario (Document parlementaire no 7ii) (Déposé le 21 juin 2022);

Report entitled, Expenditure Monitor 2021-2022: Q4 from the Financial Accountability Office of Ontario (Sessional Paper No. 10ii) (Tabled July 19, 2022);

Suivi des dépenses 2021-2022 : T4 du Bureau de la responsabilité financière de l’Ontario (Document parlementaire no 10ii) (Déposé le 19 juillet 2022);

2021-2022 Annual Report from the Financial Accountability Office of Ontario (Sessional Paper No. 13ii) (Tabled July 28, 2022).

Rapport annuel 2021-2022 du Bureau de la responsabilité financière de l’Ontario (Document parlementaire no 13ii) (Déposé le 28 juillet 2022).

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The Speaker informed the House,

Le Président a informé l'Assemblée ,

That the following document was tabled:

Que le document suivant a été déposé :

The 2021-2022 Annual Report from the Ombudsman of Ontario (Sessional Paper No. 6).

Le Rapport annuel 2021-2022 de l’Ombudsman de l'Ontario (Document parlementaire no 6).

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Orders of the Day

OrdreS du jour

The Order of the Day for the Consideration of the Speech of Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor at the opening of the Session having been read,

À l’appel de l’ordre du jour de passer à l’étude du discours prononcé par Son Honneur la lieutenante-gouverneure à l’ouverture de la session,

Todd J. McCarthy moved, seconded by Patrice Barnes,

Todd J. McCarthy propose, appuyé par Patrice Barnes,

That an humble Address be presented to Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor as follows:-
“To the Honourable Elizabeth Dowdeswell, Lieutenant Governor of Ontario:
We, Her Majesty’s most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario, now assembled, beg leave to thank Your Honour for the gracious speech Your Honour has been pleased to address to us at the opening of the present Session.”

Debate arose and after some time, the debate adjourned at 10:15 a.m.

Il s’élève un débat et après quelque temps, à 10 h 15, le débat était ajourné.

10:15 A.M.
10 H 15

The Speaker addressed the House:-

Le Président s'adresse à l'Assemblée :-

Before we begin Members' Statements, I need to address the House regarding the participation of independent Members in this new Parliament.
As Members are certainly aware, at the time of the opening of the 43rd Parliament, there are 10 independent Members of the Legislature: 8 were elected as candidates for the Liberal Party, 1 as a candidate for the Green Party, and 1 without a party affiliation. For the purposes of the Standing Orders, none of these Members belong to recognized parties, since a recognized party is defined by Standing Order 3 as a party with at least 10% of the total seats in the House, currently 12 seats. Accordingly, and pursuant to the Standing Orders, it falls to the Speaker to determine the appropriate parameters for participation by the independent Members in a number of proceedings, including various debates, Question Period, and Members’ Statements. In exercising my discretion on these matters, I must ensure that each individual independent Member has the same opportunities for participation as any other individual Member of the Legislature, if party status were not a factor.
Fortunately, I am able to look to several precedents from the 42nd Parliament for guidance.
I will start with the independent Members’ participation in the debate on the motion for an Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne, as it is the first substantive business before the House in this new Session of Parliament.
Standing Order 44(a) provides that there shall be 12 hours allotted to the Throne Speech Debate. Following the mathematical approach that was taken in the 42nd Parliament, as described on July 19, 2018 at pages 26-28 of the Journals, in a 12 hour debate, each of the 123 individual Members of this Legislature could expect to be allotted approximately 6 minutes of debate time.
Accordingly, both the Member for Guelph (Mr. Schreiner) and the Member for Haldimand—Norfolk (Ms. Brady) will each be granted one 6-minute allotment of speaking time for this particular debate.
The affiliated status of the 8 Liberal independent Members requires a slightly different approach for this and other debates. Consistent with my statement of July 19, 2018, and the subsequent conduct of debate for the duration of the 42nd Parliament, the Liberal independent Members will be permitted to pool their speaking time into longer allotments. The 8 Members will be allotted a total of 48 minutes, which for the purposes of the Throne Speech Debate will be broken down into four 12-minute segments.
Further, and pursuant to the precedent established by the statement I made on March 6, 2019 (at pages 303-304 of the Journals), the Liberal independent Members will be permitted to share these 12-minute allotments of debate time with one another, if they wish. This decision conforms to the language of Standing Order 26(d), which provides that speaking time may be shared among Members of the same party during certain debates, including the Throne Speech Debate.
A similar approach will be taken to debates on Second and Third Reading of Government Bills, and on substantive Government motions. In calculating the allotments of speaking time for individual Members in the 42nd Parliament, I made the assumption that a typical debate is at least 6.5 hours long, as that is the point at which the government can allocate time to the remaining stages of the debate pursuant to Standing Order 50. Members can therefore reasonably expect that debates on Second Reading of Government Bills and on substantive Government motions will last for at least 6.5 hours, which breaks down to about 3 minutes of speaking time per individual Member.
The Member for Guelph and the Member for Haldimand—Norfolk will thus be allotted 3 minutes for all debates on Second and Third Reading of Government Bills and on substantive Government motions. This time may be banked, so that if the Members do not wish to participate in a certain debate, their 3-minute allotments will be recorded in a time bank which may draw on in future debates, in order to permit longer speeches. Over time, this will ensure that these Members have approximately the same opportunities to participate in debates as any other individual Members.
In keeping with the approach to the Throne Speech Debate and the precedents of the 42nd Parliament, the 8 Liberal independents will be permitted to pool their speaking time into 24 minutes of total time, or two 12-minute allotments per debate. If the Liberal independent Members do not use this time before speaking times are reduced to 10 minutes pursuant to Standing Order 26(c), then the speaking times will be 10 minutes, not 12. This time may shared pursuant to Standing Order 26(d), but it may not be banked.
Moving on now to the conduct of Question Period: As I did on July 16, 2018, I must consider the opportunities to participate in this proceeding that are afforded to all individual Members. In a typical 60-minute Question Period, following the daily lead-off questions and supplementary questions that are granted to the Official Opposition, there will be approximately 12 questions asked per day, each followed by a supplementary question. Given this total, each individual Member can reasonably expect to be recognized to ask a question once every 10 days.
In order for the House meeting schedule to accommodate this expectation, I am prepared to recognize one independent Member to ask a question per day, with a second question by an independent Member every Tuesday. However, in keeping with the statement I made on March 6, 2019, the ability to pool Question Period allotments is afforded to recognized parties only. In order to ensure that the independent Members are not granted a disproportionately high number of opportunities to ask questions, each of the 10 independent Members will be recognized a maximum of once during every 2-week period of House meetings.
Finally, we’ll turn our attention to Members’ Statements. Every day, 9 Members of recognized parties may make Members’ Statements. Each of the 82 Members who are currently eligible to make statements can reasonably expect to make one statement every 9 days. I will recognize one independent Member to make a statement every day, again ensuring that no one Member is recognized more than once in every 10-day period.
Before I conclude, I would like to advise the independent Members that they will be required to inform the Chair in advance when they intend to participate in a debate, or in the Question Period or Members’ Statements proceedings.
I will also take this opportunity to remind the House that while the Standing Orders give the Speaker the discretion to arrange the participation of independent Members in the way I’ve described, the House of course is master of its own proceedings, and I would welcome any recommendations the House might have in this regard if it feels that a different arrangement to provide for participation by the independent Members would suit it better.
At 10:28 a.m, the Speaker recessed the House until 10:58 a.m., when microphone service was restored.

The House recessed at 12:21 p.m.

À 12 h 21, l’Assemblée a suspendu la séance.


1:00 P.M.

13 H

Introduction of Government Bills

Dépôt de projets de loi du gouvernement

The following bill was introduced and read the first time:-

Le projet de loi suivant est présenté et lu une première fois :-

Bill 3, An Act to amend various statutes with respect to special powers and duties of heads of council. Hon. Steve Clark (Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing).

Projet de loi 3, Loi modifiant diverses lois en ce qui concerne les pouvoirs et fonctions spéciaux des présidents du conseil. L'hon. Steve Clark (Ministre des Affaires municipales et du Logement).

Introduction of Bills

Dépôt de projets de loi

The following bills were introduced and read the first time:-

Les projets de loi suivants sont présentés et lus une première fois :-

Bill 4, An Act to amend the Employment Standards Act, 2000 with respect to paid leave. Peggy Sattler.

Projet de loi 4, Loi modifiant la loi de 2000 sur les normes d’emploi en ce qui concerne les congés payés. Peggy Sattler.

Bill 5, An Act to amend various statutes with respect to workplace violence and harassment policies in codes of conduct for councillors and members of local boards. Stephen Blais.

Projet de loi 5, Loi modifiant diverses lois en ce qui concerne les politiques en matière de violence et de harcèlement au travail prévues dans les codes de déontologie des conseillers et des membres des conseils locaux. Stephen Blais.

Bill 6, An Act to establish an advisory committee for foreign credentials. Lucille Collard.

Projet de loi 6, Loi créant un comité consultatif pour les titres de compétence acquis à l’étranger. Lucille Collard.

Motions

Motions

Andrea Khanjin moved,

Andrea Khanjin propose,

That, pursuant to Standing Order 110, the membership of the following Standing Committees be appointed for the duration of the 43rd Parliament:

The Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs: Mr. Hardeman, Mr. Crawford, Mr. Byers, Mr. Dowie, Ms. Triantafilopoulos, Mr. Anand, Mr. Smith (Scarborough Centre), Mr. Cuzzetto, Mr. Kernaghan, Ms. Fife, Ms. Bowman, Ms. Brady.
The Standing Committee on Government Agencies: Mr. Bouma, Mr. Coe, Mr. Jones (Chatham-Kent—Leamington), Mr. Pang, Mr. Sabawy, Mr. Sandhu, Mr. Harris, Ms. Gallagher Murphy, Ms. Begum, Ms. Pasma, Mr. Fraser.
The Standing Committee on Heritage, Infrastructure and Cultural Policy: Ms. Scott, Mr. Thanigasalam, Ms. Smith (Thornhill), Mr. McGregor, Mr. Grewal, Mr. Holland, Mr. Sabawy, Mr. Pang, Ms. Lindo, Mr. Harden, Ms. McMahon.
The Standing Committee on the Interior: Mr. Babikian, Mr. Yakabuski, Mr. Flack, Mr. Smith (Peterborough—Kawartha), Mr. Bresee, Mr. Leardi, Ms. Dixon, Mr. Sarrazin, Ms. Shaw, Ms. Stiles, Mr. Schreiner, Ms. Hunter.
The Standing Committee on Justice Policy: Mr. Coe, Ms. Hogarth, Mr. Saunderson, Mr. Bailey, Ms. Kusendova, Mr. Riddell, Mr. Ke, Mr. Jones (Chatham-Kent—Leamington), Mr. Mamakwa, MPP Wong-Tam, Mr. Blais.
The Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs: Mr. Rae, Mr. Harris, Mr. Sandhu, Ms. Gallagher Murphy, Mr. Sarrazin, Mr. McGregor, Ms. Hogarth, Mr. Oosterhoff, Mr. West, Ms. French, Mr. Hsu.
The Standing Committee on Public Accounts: Ms. Skelly, Mr. McCarthy, Mr. Cuzzetto, Mr. Byers, Mr. Kanapathi, Mr. Crawford, Ms. Smith (Thornhill), Mr. Bouma, Mr. Rakocevic, Mme Gélinas, Mme Collard.
The Standing Committee on Social Policy: Ms. Ghamari, Ms. Martin, Mr. Quinn, Ms. Pierre, Ms. Barnes, Mr. Jordan, Mrs. Wai, Mr. Rae, Mme Gélinas, Mrs. Gretzky, Mr. Shamji; and

That, these Committees be authorized to meet on the following days when the House is scheduled to meet:

Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs may meet on Tuesdays and Wednesdays;

Standing Committee on Government Agencies may meet on Thursdays from 9:00 a.m. until 10:15 a.m.;
Standing Committee on Heritage, Infrastructure and Cultural Policy may meet on Wednesdays and Thursdays;
Standing Committee on the Interior may meet on Mondays; and on Tuesdays from 1:00 p.m.;

Standing Committee on Justice Policy may meet on Wednesdays and Thursdays;
Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs may meet on Tuesdays from 9:00 a.m. to 10:15 a.m. and on Thursdays from 1:00 p.m.;
Standing Committee on Public Accounts may meet on Mondays;
Standing Committee on Social Policy may meet on Mondays and Tuesdays; and
That, on the Committee’s motion, the following Committees are authorized to meet from Monday to Friday when the House is scheduled to meet and during adjournments of the House specified in Standing Order 7(b) or other adjournments of the House which do not exceed one week:
Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs;
Standing Committee on Heritage, Infrastructure and Cultural Policy;
Standing Committee on the Interior;
Standing Committee on Justice Policy;
Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs; and
Standing Committee on Social Policy.
On a point of order being raised, at 1:58 p.m. the Speaker recessed the House until 2:14 p.m.
Upon his return, the Speaker delivered the following ruling:-
Having taken a few moments to consider this matter, I want to thank the Member for London West (Peggy Sattler) for raising this point of order, and the other Members who spoke as well. The Member for London West is requesting that the Speaker provide guidance on the matter of a motion which was tabled yesterday and has been moved this afternoon regarding the composition of Standing Committees in this 43rd Parliament.
I want to begin by saying there is nothing procedurally out of order with Government Notice of Motion number 1, and to suggest that pursuant to Standing Order 1(c) this is a contingency not provided for in the Standing Orders is simply not the case. The motion is, in fact, compliant with the Standing Orders and is properly before the House.
I want to thank the Members again for their contributions to this important matter.

Debate arose and after some time,

Il s’élève un débat et après quelque temps,

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(b), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

Conformément à l’article 32 b) du Règlement, Le Président a interrompu les délibérations.

The question was then put.

La question a ensuite été mise aux voix.

Carried on the following division:-

Adoptée par le vote suivant :-

Ayes/pour (78)
AnandBaileyBarnesBethlenfalvy
BoumaBowmanBreseeByers
CalandraCho (Scarborough North)Cho (Willowdale)Clark
CoeCollardCrawfordCuzzetto
DixonDowieDowneyDunlop
FedeliFlackFord (Etobicoke North)Ford (York South—Weston)
FraserFullertonGallagher MurphyGhamari
GillHardemanHarrisHogarth
HollandHsuJones (Chatham-Kent—Leamington)Jones (Dufferin—Caledon)
JordanKanapathiKerznerKhanjin
KusendovaLeardiLecceLumsden
MartinMcCarthyMcMahonPang
ParsaPicciniPirieQuinn
RaeRasheedRickfordRiddell
RomanoSabawySandhuSarkaria
SarrazinSaundersonScottShamji
Smith (Bay of Quinte)Smith (Parry Sound—Muskoka)Smith (Peterborough—Kawartha)Smith (Scarborough Centre)
Smith (Thornhill)SurmaTangriThanigasalam
ThompsonTibolloTriantafilopoulosWai
WilliamsYakabuski
Nays/contre (26)
AndrewArmstrongBegumBell
BourgouinBurchFifeFrench
GatesGélinasGretzkyHarden
LindoManthaPasmaRakocevic
SattlerShawStevensStiles
TabunsTaylorVanthofVaugeois
WestWong-Tam

Orders of the Day

OrdreS du jour

Motion for an Address in Reply to the Speech of Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor at the Opening of the Session.

Motion portant l'Adresse en réponse au discours prononcé par Son Honneur la lieutenante-gouverneure à l'ouverture de la session.

Debate resumed and after some time, the House adjourned at 6:00 p.m.

Le débat a repris et après quelque temps, à 18 h, l’Assemblée a ajourné ses travaux.


Changes To The Order Of Precedence Pursuant To Standing Order 100(c)

Changements Dans L'Ordre De Priorité conformément à l'article 100 c) du règlement

On the ballot list draw of August 8, 2022:

Liste de billets de députées et députés établie le 8 août 2022:

Ballot no./Billet nºAssumed by/Assumé par
5Sandy Shaw
31Teresa J. Armstrong
46Doly Begum
78Joel Harden

Petitions Tabled Pursuant to Standing Order 42(a)

Pétitions déposées conformément à l'article 42 a) du règlement

No./NºPetition title/Titre de la pétitionPresented by/Présentée par
P-1OptometryEffie J. Triantafilopoulos

Sessional Papers Presented Pursuant to Standing Order 43

Documents Parlementaires déposées conformément à l'article 43 du règlement

No., Suffix/Nº, SuffixeTitle/TitreDate tabled/Date de dépôt
1Ontario Clean Water Agency, 2021 Annual Report/Agence ontarienne des eaux, Rapport Annuel 2021August 8, 2022
7Compendia: Hon. Steve Clark, Bill 3, An Act to amend various statutes with respect to special powers and duties of heads of council/L'hon. Steve Clark, Projet de loi 3, Loi modifiant diverses lois en ce qui concerne les pouvoirs et fonctions spéciaux des présidents du conseilAugust 10, 2022
8 iiOntario Human Rights Commission, 2021-2022 Annual Report/Commission ontarienne des droits de la personne, Rapport annuel 2021-2022June 27, 2022
9 iiCabinet Office, Public opinion polls commissioned between February 1, 2022 to March 3, 2022 on the topic of the COVID-19 pandemicJuly 4, 2022
12 iiMinistry of the Solicitor General, Report on Amendments, Extensions and Revocations of Orders under the Reopening Ontario (A Flexible Response to COVID-19) Act, 2020 from December 2, 2021 to March 28, 2022/Ministère du Solliciteur général, Rapport sur les modifications, les prolongations et les révocations de décrets pris en vertu de la Loi de 2020 sur la réouverture de l’Ontario (mesures adaptables en réponse à la COVID-19) pour la période du 2 décembre 2021 au 28 mars 2022July 26, 2022