Thursday 7 April 1994

Subcommittee report


*Chair / Président: Johnson, Paul R. (Prince Edward-Lennox-South Hastings/

Prince Edward-Lennox-Hastings-Sud ND)

*Vice-Chair / Vice-Président: Wiseman, Jim (Durham West/-Ouest ND)

Caplan, Elinor (Oriole L)

*Carr, Gary (Oakville South/-Sud PC)

Cousens, W. Donald (Markham PC)

Haslam, Karen (Perth ND)

Jamison, Norm (Norfolk ND)

Kwinter, Monte (Wilson Heights L)

Lessard, Wayne (Windsor-Walkerville ND)

*Mathyssen, Irene (Middlesex ND)

*Phillips, Gerry (Scarborough-Agincourt L)

*Sutherland, Kimble (Oxford ND)

*In attendance / présents

Substitutions present / Membres remplaçants présents:

Owens, Stephen (Scarborough Centre ND) for Mr Lessard

Clerk pro tem / Greffière par intérim: Bryce, Donna

Staff / Personnel: Campbell, Elaine, research officer, Legislative Research Service

The committee met at 1537 in committee room 1.


The Chair (Mr Paul R. Johnson): The standing committee on finance and economic affairs will come to order. The committee is meeting today to consider the report of the subcommittee, and I'll read the report of the subcommittee into the record.

"Your subcommittee met on Thursday, March 31, 1994, to consider the method of proceeding on Bill 134, An Act to revise the Credit Unions and Caisses Populaires Act and to amend certain other Acts relating to financial services.

"Your subcommittee recommends that:

"1. The ministry appear before the committee at 10 am on Thursday, April 28, 1994, to give a background briefing and respond to questions by members of the committee.

"2. Public hearings be conducted on Thursday, May 5, and Thursday, May 12, and that all appointments be limited to one half-hour each.

"3. Clause-by-clause consideration of the bill take place on Thursday, May 19, Thursday, June 2, and Thursday, June 9, if required.

"4. Each caucus submit to the clerk of the committee, Lynn Mellor (facsimile: 325-3505) a list of those they wish to appear before the committee, with addresses and telephone numbers, no later than 12 noon on Thursday, April 7. Upon receipt of same, letters inviting those groups and individuals to make an appearance before the committee will be sent.

"5. A summary of recommendations will be prepared for committee members by the research officer before Thursday, May 19."

At this point in time, it's been indicated to me by the clerk that we have 20 spots on our roster of witnesses and we have 20 groups who have submitted their interest. Therefore, our roster is now complete. However, should there be further interest from the public or interested groups, then we would have to consider that. One of the things we're here to consider today is, would it be okay for the subcommittee to deal with that particular concern?

Mr Stephen Owens (Scarborough Centre): From the government's perspective, I think it's fair to say that we had an excellent subcommittee meeting and that we all have our witnesses that we are interested in having on the list. We have set for ourselves quite an aggressive schedule in terms of committee time. I think it would be the view of myself that it would be better if we limited the list to those that are now scheduled, and if somebody can't appear and there is somebody waiting who has indicated interest, then we could take a look at scheduling them. But I think, because of the tight time lines, we can't open the list or keep adding people.

Mr Gerry Phillips (Scarborough-Agincourt): I don't have a problem with that if we say to anybody that we at the very least would take their written briefs and review them carefully, and that if an opening opens up we will accommodate them, but we may not be able to.

The Chair: Mr Carr?

Mr Gary Carr (Oakville South): Agreed.

Mr Owens: Motion to accept the committee report: so moved.

The Chair: Mr Owens has moved acceptance of the committee report. All in agreement? Okay.

I'd like to entertain a motion, for the purpose of committee hearings on Bill 134, that the Chair and the clerk, in consultation with the subcommittee, have the authority to make all arrangements necessary for scheduling of witnesses.

Mr Owens: I'll move it.

The Chair: You're moving that, Mr Owens? Is everyone in agreement?

Mr Phillips: Just a real detail, but we're not approving paying for them to come and stuff like that, are we?

Mr Owens: No, no.

Mr Phillips: This is just the scheduling thing.

The Chair: Yes, this is the scheduling.

Mr Phillips: Okay, that's fine.

The Chair: This is not for payment. So we have an agreement on that motion, then? Carried? Carried.

Any further business of the committee at this time?

Mr Phillips: What's next on your script there?

Mr Carr: Why don't we just have Lynn talk and cut out the middleman?

The Chair: Lynn isn't here, Mr Carr.

Mr Owens: The language is similar, though, isn't it?

Motion to adjourn, non-debatable.

The Chair: Non-debatable. Call the question? Everyone's in agreement. We're adjourned.

The committee adjourned at 1544.