43e législature, 1e session

43rd Parliament, 1st session


 

43e Législature, 1re session


 

Votes and Proceedings


 

Procès-verbaux


 

No. 6



 

Nº 6



 

Thursday
August 18, 2022


 

Jeudi
18 août 2022


 

Hon. Ted Arnott
Speaker

L'hon. Ted Arnott
le président

9:00 A.M.

Prayers

9 H

Prières

Orders of the Day

OrdreS du jour

Second Reading of Bill 2, An Act to implement Budget measures and to enact and amend various statutes.

Deuxième lecture de projet de loi 2, Loi visant à mettre en oeuvre les mesures budgétaires et à édicter et à modifier diverses lois.

Debated resumed, and after some time, the debate adjourned at 10:16 a.m.

Le débat a repris et après quelque temps, à 10 h 16, le débat était ajourné.

The Speaker informed the House,

Le Président a informé l’Assemblée,

That pursuant to Standing Order 9(h), the Clerk received written notice from the Government House Leader indicating that a temporary change in the weekly meeting schedule of the House is required, and therefore, the House shall convene at 9:00 a.m. on Monday, August 22, 2022 with the proceeding Orders of the Day (Sessional Paper No. 10).

Que, conformément à l’article 9 h) du Règlement, le greffier a reçu un avis écrit du leader parlementaire du gouvernement indiquant qu’une modification temporaire doit être apportée à l’horaire hebdomadaire des séances de l’Assemblée et, par conséquent, l’Assemblée se convoquée à 9 heures le lundi 22 août 2022 avec l’ordre du jour (Document parlementaire no 10).

Deferred Votes

Votes différés

Motion for closure on Second Reading of Bill 3, An Act to amend various statutes with respect to special powers and duties of heads of council.

Motion de clôture sur la motion portant deuxième lecture du projet de loi 3, Loi modifiant diverses lois en ce qui concerne les pouvoirs et fonctions spéciaux des présidents du conseil.

Carried on the following division:-

Adoptée par le vote suivant :-

Ayes/pour (72)
AnandBabikianBaileyBarnes
BethlenfalvyBoumaBreseeByers
CalandraCho (Scarborough North)Cho (Willowdale)Clark
CoeCrawfordCuzzettoDixon
DowieDowneyDunlopFedeli
FlackFord (Etobicoke North)FullertonGallagher Murphy
GhamariGrewalHardemanHarris
HogarthJones (Chatham-Kent—Leamington)Jones (Dufferin—Caledon)Jordan
KanapathiKeKerznerKhanjin
KusendovaLeardiLecceLumsden
MartinMcCarthyMcGregorMulroney
OosterhoffPangParsaPiccini
PirieQuinnRaeRasheed
RickfordRiddellRomanoSabawy
SandhuSarkariaSaundersonScott
SkellySmith (Peterborough—Kawartha)Smith (Scarborough Centre)Smith (Thornhill)
SurmaThanigasalamThompsonTibollo
TriantafilopoulosWaiWilliamsYakabuski
Nays/contre (22)
AndrewArmstrongBegumBell
BowmanFraserFrenchGates
GélinasKernaghanManthaPasma
RakocevicSchreinerShawStevens
TabunsTaylorVanthofVaugeois
WestWong-Tam 

The question was then put.

La question a ensuite été mise aux voix.

Second Reading of Bill 3, An Act to amend various statutes with respect to special powers and duties of heads of council.

Deuxième lecture du projet de loi 3, Loi modifiant diverses lois en ce qui concerne les pouvoirs et fonctions spéciaux des présidents du conseil.

Carried on the following division:-

Adoptée par le vote suivant :-

Ayes/pour (72)
AnandBabikianBaileyBarnes
BethlenfalvyBoumaBreseeByers
CalandraCho (Scarborough North)Cho (Willowdale)Clark
CoeCrawfordCuzzettoDixon
DowieDowneyDunlopFedeli
FlackFord (Etobicoke North)FullertonGallagher Murphy
GhamariGrewalHardemanHarris
HogarthJones (Chatham-Kent—Leamington)Jones (Dufferin—Caledon)Jordan
KanapathiKeKerznerKhanjin
KusendovaLeardiLecceLumsden
MartinMcCarthyMcGregorMulroney
OosterhoffPangParsaPiccini
PirieQuinnRaeRasheed
RickfordRiddellRomanoSabawy
SandhuSarkariaSaundersonScott
SkellySmith (Peterborough—Kawartha)Smith (Scarborough Centre)Smith (Thornhill)
SurmaThanigasalamThompsonTibollo
TriantafilopoulosWaiWilliamsYakabuski
Nays/contre (25)
AndrewArmstrongBegumBell
BowmanCollardFraserFrench
GatesGélinasHsuHunter
KernaghanManthaPasmaRakocevic
SchreinerShawStevensTabuns
TaylorVanthofVaugeoisWest
Wong-Tam  

Referred to the Standing Committee on Heritage, Infrastructure and Cultural Policy.

Renvoyé au Comité permanent du patrimoine, de l’infrastructure et de la culture.


The House recessed at 11:48 a.m.

À 11 h 48, l’Assemblée a suspendu la séance.


1:00 P.M.

13 H

Introduction of Government Bills

Dépôt de projets de loi du gouvernement

The following bill was introduced and read the first time:-

Le projet de loi suivant est présenté et lu une première fois :-

Bill 7, An Act to amend the Fixing Long-Term Care Act, 2021 with respect to patients requiring an alternate level of care and other matters and to make a consequential amendment to the Health Care Consent Act, 1996. Hon. Paul Calandra (Minister of Long-Term Care).

Projet de loi 7, Loi modifiant la Loi de 2021 sur le redressement des soins de longue durée en ce qui concerne les patients ayant besoin d'un niveau de soins différent et d'autres questions et apportant une modification corrélative à la Loi de 1996 sur le consentement aux soins de santé. L'hon. Paul Calandra (Ministre des Soins de longue durée).

 

Introduction of Bills

 

Dépôt de projets de loi

The following bills were introduced and read the first time:-

Les projets de loi suivants sont présentés et lus une première fois :-

Bill 8, An Act to enact the Anti-Money Laundering in Housing Act, 2022. Jessica Bell; Bhutila Karpoche.

Projet de loi 8, Loi édictant la Loi de 2022 sur la lutte contre le blanchiment d'argent dans le secteur du logement. Jessica Bell; Bhutila Karpoche.

Bill 9, An Act to amend the Health Insurance Act and the Health Protection and Promotion Act in respect of addressing gun violence and its impacts. Mitzie Hunter.

Projet de loi 9, Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'assurance-santé et la Loi sur la protection et la promotion de la santé en ce qui concerne la violence armée et ses répercussions. Mitzie Hunter.

Petitions

Pétitions

No./NºPetition title/Titre de la pétitionPresented by/Présentée par
P-2Social assistance ratesJessica Bell
P-2Social assistance ratesMonique Taylor
P-4Government infrastructure projectsDave Smith (Peterborough—Kawartha)
P-5Gas pricesFrance Gélinas
P-11Recruitment of health care workersDeepak Anand
P-11Recruitment of health care workersDave Smith (Peterborough—Kawartha)
P-12Bradford BypassJill Andrew
P-13Home and community care systemDave Smith (Peterborough—Kawartha)
P-14Paid sick daysJill Andrew

Orders of the Day

OrdreS du jour

Second Reading of Bill 2, An Act to implement Budget measures and to enact and amend various statutes.

Deuxième lecture de projet de loi 2, Loi visant à mettre en oeuvre les mesures budgétaires et à édicter et à modifier diverses lois.

Debate resumed, during which the Speaker interrupted the proceedings and announced that there had been six and one-half hours of debate and that the debate was deemed adjourned.

Le débat a repris. Le Président a interrompu les travaux et a annoncé qu’il y avait eu six heures et demie de débat et que le débat était réputé ajourné.

Andrea Khanjin moved,

Andrea Khanjin propose,

That Donna Skelly, Member for the Electoral District of Flamborough—Glanbrook, be appointed Deputy Speaker and Chair of the Committee of the Whole House;
That Bhutila Karpoche, Member for the Electoral District of Parkdale—High Park, be appointed First Deputy Chair of the Committee of the Whole House;
That Patrice Barnes, Member for the Electoral District of Ajax, be appointed Second Deputy Chair of the Committee of the Whole House; and
That Lucille Collard, Member for the Electoral District of Ottawa—Vanier, be appointed Third Deputy Chair of the Committee of the Whole House; and

That, notwithstanding Standing Order 115(a), the following changes be made to the membership of the following committees:
On the Standing Committee on Government Agencies Mr. Bourgouin be added;
On the Standing Committee on Heritage, Infrastructure and Cultural Policy Ms. Andrew be added;
On the Standing Committee on Justice Policy Mrs. Stevens be added;
On the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs Ms. Bell be added;
On the Standing Committee on Public Accounts Ms. Vaugeois be added; and
On the Standing Committee on Social Policy Mr. Gates be added.
 
On a point of order being raised at 4:14 p.m, the Speaker recessed the House until 4:32 p.m
Upon his return, the Speaker delivered the following ruling:-

On August 10, 2022, the Government House Leader filed notice of a substantive motion for the appointment of Presiding Officers, which is printed on today’s Orders and Notices Paper as Government Notice of Motion #3. The Official Opposition Chief Whip, Mr. Vanthof, has raised a point of order relating to this motion. After taking a few minutes to review the submissions of the Member, the Government House Leader, and the Member for Durham (Mr. McCarthy) together with prior research and consideration of the motion after it was placed on the Orders and Notices Paper a few days ago, I am now prepared to provide a ruling.

 

The motion, if adopted, would appoint four Members to the Presiding Officer roles of Deputy Speaker and Chair of the Committee of the Whole House; and First, Second and Third Deputy Chairs of the Committee of the Whole House.

 

The appointment of these positions is governed by Standing Orders 5(a), 5(c), and 6, which read as follows:

 

5(a)    At the commencement of the First Session of a Parliament, or from time to time as may be required, a Member shall be appointed by the House to be Deputy Speaker and Chair of the Committee of the Whole House.

 

5(c)    At the commencement of every Parliament, or from time to time as may be required, the House shall appoint 3 Deputy Chairs of the Committee of the Whole House, to be known respectively as the First, Second and Third Deputy Chair of the Committee of the Whole House, any of whom shall, in order of precedence, whenever the Chair of the Committee of the Whole House is absent or otherwise unable to act, be entitled to exercise all the powers vested in the Chair of the Committee of the Whole House, including those powers as Deputy Speaker.

 

       On the advice of the House Leader of each of the recognized Opposition parties in the House given to the Government House Leader, up to 3 of the 5 Presiding Officers of the House shall be chosen from recognized Opposition parties.

 

The motion, before the House, proposes the appointment of the following Members to these positions, respectively: Donna Skelly, Member for Flamborough—Glanbrook; Bhutila Karpoche, Member for Parkdale—High Park; Patrice Barnes, Member for Ajax; and Lucille Collard, Member for Ottawa—Vanier.

 

In his point of order, the Official Opposition Whip flagged the party affiliation of these presiding officer candidates as a potential violation of the rules and practices of this House. Ms. Skelly and Ms. Barnes both belong to the government’s caucus, Mme Collard is an independent Member, and Ms. Karpoche is a member of the Official Opposition caucus. Mr. Vanthof noted that while the language of Standing Order 6 provides that “up to 3” of the 5 Presiding Officers (a total that includes the Speaker) shall be chosen from recognized Opposition parties, the long-standing practice of this House is that 3 of the 5 Presiding Officers are recognized Opposition party Members.

 

The current Standing Order 6 dates back to 1989, before which time there was no requirement for the appointment of members of recognized Opposition parties as Presiding Officers, either procedurally or in practice.

 

The 1989 Standing Orders provided for four Presiding Officers, “up to 2” of which would be chosen from the recognized Opposition parties. The position of Third Deputy Chair of the Committee of the Whole House was subsequently added to the Standing Orders, along with the provision that “up to 3” of the five Presiding Officers “shall be chosen from recognized Opposition parties”.

 

A review of the history of the appointment of Presiding Officers reveals that from 1989 to 2018, the House has appointed Members of recognized Opposition parties to the maximum allowable number of Presiding Officer positions. Between 1989 and 2008, where the Standing Orders provided that “up to 2” Opposition Members be appointed, the House appointed two; and from 2008-2018, when the Standing Orders provided for “up to 3” Opposition Members to be appointed, the House appointed three.

 

This motion represents the first time that less than the maximum number of Members from recognized Opposition parties has been proposed to fill Presiding Officer roles; the first time that an independent Member has been included in the motion; and the first time that the Speaker has been asked to interpret this Standing Order.

 

As noted, since the inception of this Standing Order, the House has always appointed the maximum number of Presiding Officers from among Members of recognized Opposition parties, indicating an established practice. But while practice and precedent are often persuasive in determining the course of parliamentary procedure, they do not override clear rules of the House when such rules are asserted in place of practice.

 

As noted in Parliamentary Practice in British Columbia, 5th Edition at page 32, “(w)hen a question of procedure needs to be decided, the Speaker’s first resort is to the Standing Orders. An express rule or order adopted by the Legislative Assembly, whether Standing, Special or Sessional, supersedes every mere practice or precedent.” A similar discussion along these lines is set out in House of Commons Procedure and Practice, 3rd Edition at pages 273 and 274.

 

The fact that Standing Order 6 uses the term “up to 3” clearly suggests that fewer than 3 is both a contemplated scenario, and one permitted by the Standing Order; in which case, if fewer than 3 of the 5 Presiding Officers are to be drawn from the recognized Opposition party or parties, and if indeed the House is to appoint the full complement of 5 Presiding Officers, then the remaining number must come from other parts of the House. Again, it is clear that the Standing Order contemplates this scenario, because it does not say “3 of the 5 shall”, it says “up to 3 of the 5 shall”.

 

I therefore find that the motion is not out of order on the basis that its passage would result in fewer than 3 of 5 Presiding Officers being Members of recognized Opposition parties. With respect to the fact that the motion provides for an independent Member to be appointed as one of the Presiding Officers, I see nothing that prohibits it. The Standing Order is silent on this matter, suggesting the House is entirely at liberty to appoint from among its membership to these positions as it sees fit.

 

The Opposition Whip has asserted that Standing Order 6 provides the Opposition House Leader the right to designate members of the Opposition to fulfill Presiding Officer roles. With respect, the right is effectively limited to the provision of the names of recommended candidates, not the right to require their appointment. Advice can guide and inform decisions, but as such its acceptance is not mandatory.

 

If the House in its wisdom proceeds with Government Notice of Motion 3, it is my ruling that it will be acting within the authority of the Standing Orders. I find this motion to be in order.

 

Debate resumed and after some time, the debate adjourned.

Le débat a repris et après quelque temps, le débat était ajourné.


The House adjourned at 6:00 p.m.

À 18 h, l’Assemblée a ajourné ses travaux.


Changes To The Order Of Precedence Pursuant To Standing Order 100(c)

Changements Dans L'Ordre De Priorité conformément à l'article 100 c) du règlement

On the ballot list draw of August 8, 2022:

Liste de billets de députées et députés établie le 8 août 2022:

Ballot no./Billet nºAssumed by/Assumé par
7Laura Mae Lindo
68Jill Andrew

 

 

Petitions Tabled Pursuant to Standing Order 42(a)

 

 

Pétitions déposées conformément à l'article 42 a) du règlement

No./NºPetition title/Titre de la pétitionPresented by/Présentée par
P-1OptometryMonique Taylor

Sessional Papers Presented Pursuant to Standing Order 43

Documents Parlementaires déposées conformément à l'article 43 du règlement

No., Suffix/Nº, SuffixeTitle/TitreDate tabled/Date de dépôt
11Independent Police Review Director, Office of the, 2021-2022 Annual ReportAugust 18, 2022
12Compendia: Hon. Paul Calandra, Bill 7, An Act to amend the Fixing Long-Term Care Act, 2021 with respect to patients requiring an alternate level of care and other matters and to make a consequential amendment to the Health Care Consent Act, 1996/L'hon. Paul Calandra, Projet de loi 7, Loi modifiant la Loi de 2021 sur le redressement des soins de longue durée en ce qui concerne les patients ayant besoin d'un niveau de soins différent et d'autres questions et apportant une modification corrélative à la Loi de 1996 sur le consentement aux soins de santéAugust 18, 2022
13Ontario Police Arbitration Commission, 2021-2022 Annual Report/Commission d'arbitrage de la police de l'Ontario, Rapport annuel 2021-2022August 18, 2022