36e législature, 1re session

No. 245 No 245

Votes and

Proceedings

Procès-verbaux

Legislative Assembly

of Ontario

Assemblée législative

de l'Ontario

1st Session,

36th Parliament

1re session,

36e législature

Monday,

November 17, 1997

Lundi

17 novembre 1997

PRAYERS

1:30 P.M.

PRIÈRES

13 H 30

Following "Prayers", the Speaker requested the member for Ottawa West (Mr Cullen) to come to order.

À la fin de la période des «Prières», le Président demande au député de Ottawa-Ouest M. Cullen de se comporter.

The member having refused was named by the Speaker and directed to withdraw from the service of the House for the balance of the day's sitting.

Comme le député refuse d'obéir, le Président le désigne par son nom et l'ordonne de se retirer du service de l'Assemblée pour le reste du jour de la séance.

REPORTS BY COMMITTEES

RAPPORTS DES COMITÉS

Ms Castrilli from the Standing Committee on Social Development presented the Committee's Report which was read as follows and adopted:-

Mme Castrilli du Comité permanent des affaires sociales présente le rapport du comité qui est lu comme suit et adopté:-

Your Committee begs to report the following Bill as amended:-

Votre comité propose qu'il soit permis de faire rapport sur le projet de loi suivant avec des amendements:-

Bill 142, An Act to revise the law related to Social Assistance by enacting the Ontario Works Act and the Ontario Disability Support Program Act, by repealing the Family Benefits Act, the Vocational Rehabilitation Services Act and the General Welfare Assistance Act and by amending several other Statutes. Pursuant to the Order of the House of September 16, 1997, the Bill is ordered for Third Reading.

Projet de loi 142, Loi révisant la loi relative à l'aide sociale en édictant la Loi sur le programme Ontario au travail et la Loi sur le Programme ontarien de soutien aux personnes handicapées, en abrogeant la Loi sur les prestations familiales, la Loi sur les services de réadaptation professionnelle et la Loi sur l'aide sociale générale et en modifiant plusieurs autres lois. Conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 16 septembre 1997, le projet de loi est ordonné pour la troisième lecture.

Mr Young from the Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs presented the Committee's Report which was read as follows and adopted:-

M. Young du Comité permanent des finances et des affaires économiques présente le rapport du comité qui est lu comme suit et adopté:-

Your Committee begs to report the following Bill as amended:-

Votre comité propose qu'il soit permis de faire rapport sur le projet de loi suivant avec des amendements:-

Bill 149, An Act to continue the reforms begun by the Fair Municipal Finance Act, 1997 and to make other amendments respecting the financing of local government. Hon. E. Eves. Pursuant to the Order of the House of October 2, 1997, the Bill is ordered for Third Reading.

Projet de loi 149, Loi continuant les réformes amorcées par la Loi de 1997 sur le financement équitable des municipalités et apportant d'autres modifications relativement au financement des administrations locales. L'hon. E. Eves. Conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 2 octobre 1997, le projet de loi est ordonné pour la troisième lecture.

INTRODUCTION OF BILLS

DÉPÔT DES PROJETS DE LOI

On motion by Mr Flaherty, Bill 161, An Act to provide fairness for parents and employees by providing remedies relating to the province-wide withdrawal of services by teachers between October 27 and November 7, 1997 and to make a complementary amendment to the Education Act was introduced and read the first time on the following division:-

Sur la motion de M. Flaherty, le projet de loi 161, Loi favorisant le traitement équitable des parents et des employés en prévoyant des recours à la suite du retrait de services par les enseignants à l'échelle de la province entre le 27 octobre et le 7 novembre 1997 et apportant une modification complémentaire à la Loi sur l'éducation est présenté et lu une première fois à la suite du vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 75

Arnott Harnick Ouellette

Baird Harris Parker

Barrett Hastings Pettit

Bassett Hodgson Preston

Beaubien Hudak Rollins

Boushy Jackson Ross

Brown Johns Runciman

(Scarborough West) Johnson Sampson

Carr (Brantford) Saunderson

Carroll Johnson Shea

Chudleigh (Don Mills) Smith

Clement Johnson Snobelen

Cunningham (Perth) Spina

Danford Jordan Sterling

DeFaria Kells Stewart

Doyle Klees Tilson

Ecker Leach Tsubouchi

Elliott Leadston Turnbull

Fisher Marland Vankoughnet

Flaherty Martiniuk Villeneuve

Ford Maves Wettlaufer

Fox McLean Wilson

Froese Munro Witmer

Galt Murdoch Wood

Grimmett Mushinski (London South)

Guzzo Newman Young

Hardeman O'Toole

NAYS / CONTRE - 41

Agostino Grandmaître McLeod

Bisson Gravelle Miclash

Boyd Hampton Morin

Bradley Hoy North

Caplan Kennedy Patten

Castrilli Kormos Phillips

Christopherson Kwinter Pouliot

Churley Lankin Pupatello

Cleary Laughren Ramsay

Cordiano Lessard Ruprecht

Crozier Marchese Silipo

Curling Martel Wildman

Duncan Martin Wood

Gerretsen McGuinty (Cochrane North)

The following Bill was introduced and read the first time:-

Le projet de loi suivant est présenté, lu une première fois:-

Bill 162, An Act to amend the Public Transportation and Highway Improvement Act to name Highway 416 Veterans' Memorial Parkway. Mr J. Baird.

Projet de loi 162, Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'aménagement des voies publiques et des transports en commun pour nommer la voie publique 416 Promenade commémorative des anciens combattants. M. J. Baird.

MOTIONS

MOTIONS

On motion by Mr Sterling,

Sur la motion de M. Sterling,

Ordered, That notwithstanding Standing Order 95(g), the requirement for notice be waived with respect to ballot items 107 and 108; and that the House will commence at 11:00 a.m. on Thursday, November 20, 1997 to discuss ballot item number 105 only.

During "Oral Questions", the Speaker requested the member for Cochrane North (Mr Wood) to come to order.

Pendant la période des «Questions orales», le Président demande au député de Cochrane-Nord, M. Wood de se comporter.

The member having refused was named by the Speaker and directed to withdraw from the service of the House for the balance of the day's sitting.

Comme le député refuse d'obéir, le Président le désigne par son nom et l'ordonne de se retirer du service de l'Assemblée pour le reste du jour de la séance.

The Speaker then requested the member for Hamilton Centre (Mr Christopherson) to come to order.

Ensuite, le Président demande au député de Hamilton-Centre, M. Christopherson de se comporter.

The member having refused was named by the Speaker and directed to withdraw from the service of the House for the balance of the day's sitting.

Comme le député refuse d'obéir, le Président le désigne par son nom et l'ordonne de se retirer du service de l'Assemblée pour le reste du jour de la séance.

The Speaker then requested the member for Fort York (Mr Marchese) to come to order.

Ensuite, le Président demande au député de Fort York, M. Marchese de se comporter.

The member having refused was named by the Speaker and directed to withdraw from the service of the House for the balance of the day's sitting.

Comme le député refuse d'obéir, le Président le désigne par son nom et l'ordonne de se retirer du service de l'Assemblée pour le reste du jour de la séance.

The Speaker then requested the member for Windsor-Riverside (Mr Lessard) to come to order.

Ensuite, le Président demande au député de Windsor-Riverside, M. Lessard de se comporter.

The member having refused was named by the Speaker and directed to withdraw from the service of the House for the balance of the day's sitting.

Comme le député refuse d'obéir, le Président le désigne par son nom et l'ordonne de se retirer du service de l'Assemblée pour le reste du jour de la séance.

During "Oral Questions", due to disruptions, the Speaker ordered the Public Galleries to be cleared.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORDRE DU JOUR

A debate arose on the motion for Third Reading of Bill 61, An Act to simplify government processes and to improve efficiency in the Ministry of the Attorney General.

Il s'élève un débat sur la motion portant troisième lecture du projet de loi 61, Loi visant à simplifier les processus gouvernementaux et à améliorer l'efficience au ministère du Procureur général.

After some time, pursuant to Standing Order 9(a), the motion for the adjournment of the debate was deemed to have been made and carried.

Après quelque temps, conformément à l'article 9(a) du Règlement, la motion d'ajournement du débat est réputée avoir été proposée et adoptée.

The Speaker informed the House that, in the name of Her Majesty the Queen, Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor had been pleased to assent to the following bills in her office on October 10, 1997:-

Le Président avise l'Assemblée qu'au nom de Sa Majesté la Reine, Son Honneur la lieutenante-gouverneure a eu le plaisir de sanctionner les projets de loi suivants dans son cabinet le 10 octobre 1997:-

Bill 67, An Act to simplify government processes and to improve efficiency in the Ministry of Health.

Projet de loi 67, Loi visant à simplifier les processus gouvernementaux et à améliorer l'efficience au ministère de la Santé.

Bill 99, An Act to secure the financial stability of the compensation system for injured workers, to promote the prevention of injury and disease in Ontario workplaces and to revise the Workers' Compensation Act and make related amendments to other Acts.

Projet de loi 99, Loi assurant la stabilité financière du régime d'indemnisation des travailleurs blessés, favorisant la prévention des lésions et des maladies dans les lieux de travail en Ontario et révisant la Loi sur les accidents du travail et apportant des modifications connexes à d'autres lois.

Bill 102, An Act to improve community safety by amending the Change of Name Act, the Ministry of Correctional Services Act and the Police Services Act.

Projet de loi 102, Loi visant à accroître la sécurité de la collectivité en modifiant la Loi sur le changement de nom, la Loi sur le ministère des Services correctionnels et la Loi sur les services policiers.

Bill 112, An Act to observe two minutes of silence on Remembrance Day.

Projet de loi 112, Loi visant l'observation de deux minutes de silence le jour du Souvenir.

Bill 115, An Act to reduce red tape by amending or repealing certain statutes administered by the Ministry of Finance and by making complementary amendments to other statutes.

Projet de loi 115, Loi visant à réduire les formalités administratives en modifiant ou en abrogeant certaines lois dont l'application relève du ministère des Finances et en apportant des modifications complémentaires à d'autres lois.

Bill 128, An Act to amend the Family Law Act to provide for child support guidelines and to promote uniformity between orders for the support of children under the Divorce Act (Canada) and orders for the support of children under the Family Law Act.

Bill 128, An Act to amend the Family Law Act to provide for child support guidelines and to promote uniformity between orders for the support of children under the Divorce Act (Canada) and orders for the support of children under the Family Law Act.

Bill 136, An Act to provide for the expeditious resolution of disputes during collective bargaining in certain sectors and to facilitate collective bargaining following restructuring in the public sector and to make certain amendments to the Employment Standards Act and the Pay Equity Act.

Projet de loi 136, Loi prévoyant le règlement rapide des différends lors des négociations collectives dans certains secteurs, facilitant les négociations collectives à la suite de la restructuration dans le secteur public et apportant certaines modifications à la Loi sur les normes d'emploi et à la Loi sur l'équité salariale. L'hon. E. Witmer.

Bill 158, An Act to amend the Education Act to allow non-resident owners or tenants of residential property to vote for members of district school boards and school authorities.

Projet de loi 158, Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'éducation en vue de permettre aux propriétaires ou locataires non résidents d'un bien résidentiel de voter lors de l'élection des membres des conseils scolaires de district et des administrations scolaires.

Bill Pr65, An Act respecting the City of Hamilton.

Bill Pr78, An Act respecting the City of Scarborough.

Bill Pr84, An Act respecting Japanese Canadian Cultural Centre.

Bill Pr87, An Act respecting the Korean Canadian Cultural Association of Metropolitan Toronto.

Bill Pr90, An Act respecting the City of York.

The House then adjourned

at 6:00 p.m.

À 18 h, la chambre a ensuite

ajourné ses travaux.

le président

Christopher M. Stockwell

Speaker

Sessional Papers Presented Pursuant to Standing Order 39(a):-

Documents Parlementaires Déposés Conformément à l'article 39(a) du Règlement:-

Compendia:

Bill 161, An Act to provide fairness for parents and employees by providing remedies relating to the province-wide withdrawal of services by teachers between October 27 and November 7, 1997 and to make a complementary amendment to the Education Act (No. 601) (Tabled November 17, 1997).

Liquor Control Board of Ontario / Régie des alcools de l'Ontario, Annual Report 1996-1997 (No. 595) (Tabled October 24, 1997).

Ontario Board of Parole / Commission Ontarienne des Libérations Conditionnelles, Annual Report for the year ending March 31, 1997 (No. 590) (Tabled October 17, 1997).

Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement Board / La Commission du Régime de Retraite des Employés Municipaux de l'Ontario, Annual Report 1996 (No. 591) (Tabled October 23, 1997).

Ontario Place, Annual Report / Rapport Annuel for the year ended March 31, 1995 (No. 598) (Tabled October 30, 1997).

Ontario Realty Corporation / Société immobilière de l'Ontario, Annual Report 1996 / 1997 (No. 600) (Tabled October 31, 1997).

Ottawa Congress Centre / Centre des Congrès d'Ottawa, Annual Report 1995-96 (No. 597) (Tabled October 30, 1997).

Part-time appointments re intended Order-in-Council dated October 29, 1997 (No. 596) (Tabled October 30, 1997).

St. Lawrence Parks Commission / La Commission des Parcs du Saint-Laurent, Annual Report 1995 / 1996 (No. 599) (Tabled October 30, 1997).

Questions Answered (see Sessional Paper No. 5):-

Final Answers to Question Numbers: 2097, 2115, 2122, 2123.

Responses to Petitions:-

Réponses aux Pétitions:-

Petition relating to Child care tax credits (Sessional Paper No. P-263):

(Tabled October 1, 1997) Mr B.Wood (London South).

Petition relating to Establishing a Dialysis treatment facility in Cornwall (Sessional Paper No. P-266):

(Tabled Setember 24, 1997) Mr J. Cleary.

Petition relating to Public inquiry into the shooting death of Dudley George (Sessional Paper No. P-295):

(Tabled October 6, 1997) Mr G. Phillips.

Petition relating to Northwestern Hospital (Sessional Paper No. P-305):

(Tabled September 9, October 6, 1997) Mr G. Kennedy.

Petition relating to Marilyn Manson (Sessional Paper No. P-312):

(Tabled September 16, 18, 23, October 9, 1997) Mr J. Baird.

Petition relating to a Crematorium at Jane and Steeles (Sessional Paper No. P-315):

(Tabled September 22, September 25, 1997) Mr M. Sergio.

Petition relating to Bill 142, Social Assistance Reform Act, 1997 (Sessional Paper No. P-316):

(Tabled October 8, 1997) Mr G. Morin.

Petition relating to St. Clair College (Sessional Paper No. P-318):

(Tabled September 23, October 2, 6, 1997) Mr D. Duncan.

Petition relating to Bill 160, Education Quality Improvement Act, 1997 (Sessional Paper No. P-321):

(Tabled September 30, October 1, 2, 1997) Mr R. Bartolucci.

(Tabled October 8, 1997) Mr J. Bradley.

(Tabled October 1, 1997) Mr M. Brown (Algoma-Manitoulin).

(Tabled October 7, 1997) Mr D. Caplan.

(Tabled October 8, 1997) Mr M. Gravelle.

(Tabled October 8, 1997) Mr T. Martin.

(Tabled October 8, 1997) Mrs L. McLeod.

Answers to Questions Tabled October 22, 1997

Final Answers to Question Numbers: 2102, 2104, 2105, 2091.

Responses to Petitions Tabled October 22, 1997

Petition relating to Rent Control Legislation (Sessional Paper No. P-64):

(Tabled October 6, 1997) Mr D. Duncan.

Petition relating to Enacting legislation to require women to wear tops in public places (Sessional Paper No. P-278):

(Tabled September 23, 1997) Mr J. Baird.

(Tabled October 7, 1997) Mr T. Clement.

(Tabled October 1, 9, 1997) Mr T. Hudak.

(Tabled September 22, 23, 24, 25, 1997) Mr B. Johnson (Perth).

(Tabled October 7, 9, 1997) Mr F. Klees.

(Tabled September 24, 1997) Mr J. Parker.

(Tabled September 23, 25, 30, October 1, 2, 6, 8, 1997) Mr B. Wood (London South).

Petition relating to Public consultation with Ontarians on the future of TVO/TFO (Sessional Paper No. P-291):

(Tabled September 11, 16, 18, 22, 25, 30, 1997) Mr M. Gravelle.

(Tabled September 23, 1997) Mr J.-M. Lalonde.

Petition relating to Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act (Sessional Paper No. P-313):

(Tabled September 17, 18, 30, October 7, 8, 1997) Mr T. Hudak.

Answers to Questions Tabled November 4, 1997

Final Answers to Question Number: 2108.

Responses to Petitions Tabled November 4, 1997

Petition relating to Demanding public hearings on the Review of the Occupational Health and Safety Act discussion paper (Sessional Paper No. P-249):

(Tabled September 25, 30, October 2, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

Petition relating to Child care tax credits (Sessional Paper No. P-263):

(Tabled September 24, 1997) Mr F. Klees.

Petition relating to Funding of prevention services provided by the Workers Health and Safety Centre (Sessional Paper No. P-273):

(Tabled October 7, 8, 9, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

Petition relating to Support for all current forms of black bear hunting (Sessional Paper No. P-275):

(Tabled September 30, 1997) Mr S. Gilchrist.

(Tabled September 29, 1997) Ms S. Martel.

Petition relating to Rescinding Bill 7 which allows hiring of replacement workers (Sessional Paper No. P-283):

(Tabled October 9, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

Petition relating to Public consultation with Ontarians on the future of TVO/TFO (Sessional Paper No. P-291):

(Tabled October 9, 1997) Mr M. Gravelle.

Petition relating to Opposition to a casino in Guelph (Sessional Paper No. P-310):

(Tabled September 16, 1997) Mrs B. Elliott.

Petition relating to Regulation of Social Service Workers (Sessional Paper No. P-311):

(Tabled September 16, 1997) Mrs B. Elliott.

Petition relating to Bill 142, Social Assistance Reform Act, 1997 (Sessional Paper No. P-316):

(Tabled September 22, 30, 1997) Mr G. Morin.

Pétition ayant rapport à la demande d'une consultation publique avant qu'une décision sur l'avenir de TVO/TFO soit prise (Sessional Paper No. P-317):

(Tabled September 23, 1997) Mr D. Ramsay.

Petition relating to Hamilton Plastimet Fire (Sessional Paper No. P-319):

(Tabled September 25, 1997) Mr D.Christopherson.

Answers to Questions Tabled November 12, 1997

Final Answers to Question Numbers: 2101, 2103, 2106, 2109, 2112 to 2114, 2124.

Responses to Petitions Tabled November 12, 1997

Petitions relating to User Fees on Prescription Medicine (Sessional Paper No. P-44):

(Tabled October 1, 1997) Mr A. Curling.

(Tabled September 30, 1997) Mr T. Ruprecht.

Petitions relating to Stopping the Funding of Abortions (Sessional Paper No. P-93):

(Tabled September 22, 1997) Mr J. Cleary.

(Tabled October 6, 1997) Mrs H. Johns.

(Tabled October 7, 1997) Mr D. Ramsay.

(Tabled September 30, 1997) Mr B. Wood (London South).

Petition relating to Regulated Health Care Workers (Sessional Paper No. P-234):

(Tabled September 16, 1997) Mr J. Cleary.

Petitions relating to Issuing a Deductible credit for Ontario Seniors (Sessional Paper No. P-267): (Tabled September 15, 17, 1997) Mr F. Miclash.

Petition relating to Withdrawal of Bill 136 (Sessional Paper No. P-290):

(Tabled October 7, 1997) Mr B. Crozier.

Petitions relating to Women's College Hospital (Sessional Paper No. P-292):

(Tabled September 17, 18, 25; October 7, 8, 9, 1997) Mrs M. Boyd.

(Tabled September 25, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

(Tabled October 7, 1997) Ms M. Churley.

(Tabled September 15, 1997) Mr J. Gerretsen.

(Tabled September 22, 1997) Mr R. Marchese.

(Tabled September 22, 1997) Mr T. Silipo.

Petition relating to Working committee for the phase-out of environmental toxins (Sessional Paper No. P-294):

(Tabled September 15, 1997) Ms M. Churley.

Petition relating to Request not to move the Fort Frances Ambulance Dispatch to Kenora (Sessional Paper No. P-300):

(Tabled September 23, 1997) Mr H. Hampton.