44th Parliament, 1st Session

44th Parliament, 1st session

44e Législature, 1re session

Votes and Proceedings



Procès-verbaux



No. 35




Nº 35




Thursday
November 6, 2025



Jeudi
6 novembre 2025



Hon. Donna Skelly
Speaker

L'hon. Donna Skelly
la présidente

THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 2025
THIRTY-FIFTH DAY

JEUDI  6 NOVEMBRE 2025
TRENTE-CINQUIÈME JOUR

9:00 A.M.

Prayers

9 H

Prières

Orders of the Day

Ordres du jour

Amendment to the motion for allocation of time on Bill 60, An Act to amend various Acts and to enact the Water and Wastewater Public Corporations Act, 2025, Bill 33, An Act to amend various Acts in relation to child, youth and family services, education, and colleges and universities and Bill 40, An Act to amend various statutes with respect to energy, the electrical sector and public utilities.

L’amendement à la motion d’attribution de temps du projet de loi 60, Loi modifiant diverses lois et édictant la Loi de 2025 sur les sociétés publiques de gestion de l'eau et des eaux usées, du projet de loi 33, Loi modifiant diverses lois relatives aux services à l’enfance, à la jeunesse et à la famille, à l’éducation et aux collèges et universités et du projet de loi 40, Loi modifiant diverses lois en ce qui concerne l'énergie, le secteur de l'électricité et les services publics.

Debate resumed and after some time,

Le débat a repris et après quelque temps,

The question was then put on the amendment:

La question sur l'amendement a ensuite été mise aux voix :

Ted Hsu moved,

Ted Hsu a proposé,

That the motion be amended by striking everything after “until midnight;”.

Lost.

Rejetée.

The question was then put on the main motion.

La question sur la motion principale a ensuite été mise aux voix.

Vote deferred.

Le vote est différé.

Amendment to the amendment to the motion regarding report writing proceedings of the Standing Committee on Justice Policy on the study on Intimate Partner Violence.

Le sous-amendement à la motion concernant la procédure de la rédaction d’un rapport sur la violence entre partenaires intimes du Comité permanent de la justice.

Debate resumed and after some time, the debate adjourned at 10:15 a.m.

Le débat a repris et après quelque temps, à 10 h 15, le débat était ajourné.

10:15 A.M.

10 H 15

The Speaker informed the House,

La Présidente a informé l’Assemblée,

That pursuant to Standing Order 9(h), the Clerk received written notice from the Government House Leader indicating that a temporary change in the weekly meeting schedule of the House is required, and therefore, the House shall convene at 9:00 a.m. on Monday, November 17, 2025 with the proceeding Orders of the Day (Sessional Paper No. 156).

Que, conformément à l’article 9 h) du Règlement, le greffier a reçu un avis écrit du leader parlementaire du gouvernement indiquant qu’une modification temporaire doit être apportée à l’horaire hebdomadaire des séances de l’Assemblée et, par conséquent, l’Assemblée sera convoquée à 9 h le lundi 17 novembre 2025 avec les ordres du jour (Document parlementaire nº 156).

The Speaker informed the House,

La Présidente a informé l’Assemblée,

That pursuant to Standing Order 9(g), the Clerk received written notice from the Government House Leader indicating that a temporary change in the weekly meeting schedule of the House is required, and therefore, the Afternoon Routine on Wednesday, November 19, 2025 shall commence at 1:00 p.m. (Sessional Paper No. 157).

Que, conformément à l’article 9 g) du Règlement, le greffier a reçu un avis écrit du leader parlementaire du gouvernement indiquant qu’une modification temporaire doit être apportée à l’horaire hebdomadaire des séances de l’Assemblée et, par conséquent, les affaires de l’après-midi du mercredi 19 novembre 2025 commenceront à 13 h (Document parlementaire nº 157).

With unanimous consent,

Avec le consentement unanime,

Ordered, That notwithstanding Standing Order 40(e), 2 minutes be allotted to the independent Members as a group to respond to the Ministerial Statement by the Minister of Finance on the Fall Economic Statement.
With remarks by Hon. Doug Ford, Jennifer (Jennie) Stevens, Karen McCrimmon, Aislinn Clancy and Bobbi Ann Brady, the House paid tribute in respect of Remembrance Day and observed a moment of silence.

Deferred Votes

Votes différés

Motion for allocation of time on Bill 60, An Act to amend various Acts and to enact the Water and Wastewater Public Corporations Act, 2025, Bill 33, An Act to amend various Acts in relation to child, youth and family services, education, and colleges and universities and Bill 40, An Act to amend various statutes with respect to energy, the electrical sector and public utilities.

Motion d’attribution de temps du projet de loi 60, Loi modifiant diverses lois et édictant la Loi de 2025 sur les sociétés publiques de gestion de l'eau et des eaux usées, du projet de loi 33, Loi modifiant diverses lois relatives aux services à l’enfance, à la jeunesse et à la famille, à l’éducation et aux collèges et universités et du projet de loi 40, Loi modifiant diverses lois en ce qui concerne l'énergie, le secteur de l'électricité et les services publics.

Carried on the following division:

Adoptée par le vote suivant :

Ayes/pour (65)
Allsopp
Allsopp
Anand
Anand
Babikian
Babikian
Bailey
Bailey
Bouma
Bouma
Bresee
Bresee
Calandra
Calandra
Cho (Scarborough North)
Cho (Scarborough-Nord)
Cho (Willowdale)
Cho (Willowdale)
Ciriello
Ciriello
Clark
Clark
Coe
Coe
Cooper
Cooper
Crawford
Crawford
Cuzzetto
Cuzzetto
Denault
Denault
Dixon
Dixon
Dowie
Dowie
Dunlop
Dunlop
Firin
Firin
Flack
Flack
Ford
Ford
Grewal
Grewal
Gualtieri
Gualtieri
Hamid
Hamid
Hardeman
Hardeman
Harris
Harris
Holland
Holland
Jones (Chatham-Kent—Leamington)
Jones (Chatham-Kent—Leamington)
Jones (Dufferin—Caledon)
Jones (Dufferin—Caledon)
Jordan
Jordan
Kanapathi
Kanapathi
Kerzner
Kerzner
Khanjin
Khanjin
Leardi
Leardi
Lecce
Lecce
McCarthy
McCarthy
Mulroney
Mulroney
Oosterhoff
Oosterhoff
Pang
Pang
Parsa
Parsa
Piccini
Piccini
Pierre
Pierre
Pinsonneault
Pinsonneault
Pirie
Pirie
Quinn
Quinn
Racinsky
Racinsky
Riddell
Riddell
Rosenberg
Rosenberg
Sabawy
Sabawy
Sandhu
Sandhu
Sarkaria
Sarkaria
Sarrazin
Sarrazin
Saunderson
Saunderson
Scott (Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock)
Scott (Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock)
Smith (Parry Sound—Muskoka)
Smith (Parry Sound—Muskoka)
Smith (Peterborough—Kawartha)
Smith (Peterborough—Kawartha)
Smith (Scarborough Centre)
Smith (Scarborough-Centre)
Smith (Thornhill)
Smith (Thornhill)
Thanigasalam
Thanigasalam
Thompson
Thompson
Triantafilopoulos
Triantafilopoulos
Vickers
Vickers
Wai
Wai
Williams
Williams
   
Nays/contre (35)
Armstrong
Armstrong
Bourgouin
Bourgouin
Brady
Brady
Cerjanec
Cerjanec
Clancy
Clancy
Collard
Collard
Fairclough
Fairclough
Fife
Fife
Fraser
Fraser
French
French
Gates
Gates
Gélinas
Gélinas
Gilmour
Gilmour
Glover
Glover
Hazell
Hazell
Hsu
Hsu
Kernaghan
Kernaghan
Mamakwa
Mamakwa
McCrimmon
McCrimmon
McKenney
McKenney
McMahon
McMahon
Pasma
Pasma
Rakocevic
Rakocevic
Sattler
Sattler
Schreiner
Schreiner
Shaw
Shaw
Smyth
Smyth
Stevens
Stevens
Tabuns
Tabuns
Tsao
Tsao
Vanthof
Vanthof
Vaugeois
Vaugeois
Watt
Watt
West
West
Wong-Tam
Wong-Tam
 
Ordered, That, pursuant to Standing Order 50 and notwithstanding any other Standing Order or Special Order of the House relating to Bill 60, An Act to amend various Acts and to enact the Water and Wastewater Public Corporations Act, 2025, Bill 33, An Act to amend various Acts in relation to child, youth and family services, education, and colleges and universities; and Bill 40, An Act to amend various statutes with respect to energy, the electrical sector and public utilities;
That when the Orders for Bills 60 and 33 are next called, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Second Reading stage of each Bill without further debate or amendment; and
That upon receiving Second Reading, Bills 60 and 33 shall be ordered for Third Reading, which Orders may be called the same day; and
That when the Order for Third Reading of Bill 60 is called, two hours shall be allotted to debate, with 36 minutes for the Members of His Majesty's Government, 36 minutes for the Members of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition, 36 minutes for the Members of the Third Party, and 12 minutes for the independent Members as a group; and
That at the end of this time, the Speaker shall interrupt the proceedings and shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Third Reading stage of Bill 60 without further debate or amendment; and
That when the Order for Third Reading of Bill 33 is called, two hours shall be allotted to debate, with 36 minutes for the Members of His Majesty's Government, 36 minutes for the Members of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition, 36 minutes for the Members of the Third Party, and 12 minutes for the independent Members as a group; and
That at the end of this time, the Speaker shall interrupt the proceedings and shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Third Reading stage of Bill 33 without further debate or amendment; and
That when the Order for Bill 40 is next called, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Second Reading stage of the Bill without further debate or amendment; and
That upon receiving Second Reading, Bill 40 shall be referred to the Standing Committee on the Interior; and
That the Standing Committee on the Interior be authorized to meet for public hearings on Bill 40 on the following dates:
  • Tuesday, November 18, 2025, from 9:00 a.m. until 10:00 a.m.; and from 3:00 p.m. until 6:00 p.m.; and
  • Tuesday, November 25, 2025, from 9:00 a.m. until 10:00 a.m.; and from 3:00 p.m. until 6:00 p.m.; and
That the deadline for requests to appear for hearings on Bill 40 be 12:00 noon on Thursday, November 13, 2025; and
That the Clerk of the Committee shall provide a list of all interested presenters to each member of the Sub-committee on Committee Business and their designate as soon as possible following the deadline for requests to appear; and
That if all requests to appear cannot be accommodated, each member of the Sub­-committee or their designate may provide the Clerk of the Committee with a prioritized list of presenters to be scheduled, chosen from the list of all interested presenters for those respective hearings by 12:00 noon on Friday, November 14, 2025; and
That the Minister of Energy and Mines be invited to appear as the sponsor of Bill 40 at 9:00 a.m. on Tuesday, November 18, 2025, and that the Minister shall have 20 minutes to make an opening statement followed by 39 minutes of questions and answers divided into two rounds of 6.5 minutes for the Government members, two rounds of 6.5 minutes for the Official Opposition members and two rounds of 6.5 minutes for the Third Party; and
That witnesses shall be scheduled in groups of three for each one-hour time slot, with each presenter allotted 7 minutes to make an opening statement followed by 39 minutes of questioning for all three witnesses, divided into two rounds of 6.5 minutes for the Government members, two rounds of 6.5 minutes for the Official Opposition members and two rounds of 6.5 minutes for the Third Party; and
That the deadline for written submissions on Bill 40 be 7:00 p.m. on Tuesday, November 25, 2025; and
That the deadline for filing amendments to Bill 40 be 12:00 noon on Thursday, November 27, 2025; and
That the Committee meet for clause-by-clause consideration of Bill 40 on Tuesday, December 2, 2025, from 9:00 a.m. until 10:15 a.m.; and from 3:00 p.m. until 6:00 p.m.; and from 6:30 p.m. until midnight; and
That on Tuesday, December 2, 2025, at 4:00 p.m., those amendments to Bill 40 which have not yet been moved shall be deemed to have been moved, and the Chair of the Committee shall interrupt the proceedings and shall, without further debate or amendment, put every question necessary to dispose of all remaining sections of the Bill and any amendments thereto; and
At this time, the Chair shall allow one waiting period, if requested by a member of the Committee, pursuant to Standing Order 131(a); and
That the Committee shall report Bill 40 to the House no later than Wednesday, December 3, 2025, and if the Committee fails to report the Bill on that day, the Bill shall be deemed passed by the Committee and shall be deemed reported to and received by the House; and
That upon receiving the report of the Standing Committee on the Interior on Bill 40, the Speaker shall put the question for adoption of the report forthwith; and
That upon adoption of the report, Bill 40 shall be ordered for Third Reading, which Order may be called the same day; and
That when the Order for Third Reading of Bill 40 is called, two hours shall be allotted to debate with 36 minutes for the Members of His Majesty's Government, 36 minutes for the Members of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition, 36 minutes for the Members of the Third Party, and 12 minutes for the independent Members as a group; and
That at the end of this time, the Speaker shall interrupt the proceedings and shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Third Reading stage of Bill 40 without further debate or amendment.

The House recessed at 12:12 p.m.

À 12 h 12, l’Assemblée a suspendu la séance.


1:00 P.M.

13 H

Reports by Committees

Rapports de comités

The Speaker informed the House,

La Présidente a informé l’Assemblée,

That the Clerk received the Report on Intended Appointments dated November 6, 2025 of the Standing Committee on Government Agencies. Pursuant to Standing Order 110(f)(9), the Report is deemed to be adopted by the House (Sessional Paper No. 158).

Que le greffier a reçu le Rapport sur les nominations prévues daté le 6 novembre 2025 du Comité permanent des organismes gouvernementaux. Conformément à l’article 110 f) 9) du Règlement, le rapport est réputé adopté par l’Assemblée (Document parlementaire nº 158).

Introduction of Government Bills

Dépôt de projets de loi émanant du gouvernement

The following Bill was introduced and read the first time:

Le projet de loi suivant est présenté et lu une première fois :

Bill 68, An Act to implement Budget measures and to enact and amend various statutes. Hon. Peter Bethlenfalvy (Minister of Finance).

Projet de loi 68, Loi visant à mettre en œuvre les mesures budgétaires et à édicter et à modifier diverses lois. L'hon. Peter Bethlenfalvy (Ministre des Finances).

Petitions

Pétitions

No./ Petition title/Titre de la pétition Presented by/Présentée par
P-7 Health care privatization Jamie West
P-17 Social assistance rates France Gélinas
P-17 Social assistance rates Jamie West
P-25 Public education funding Peggy Sattler
P-27 Primary care access France Gélinas
P-41 Social media and youth Catherine Fife
P-66 Inter-Provincial trade barriers Deepak Anand
P-66 Inter-Provincial trade barriers Anthony Leardi
P-109 International medical graduates France Gélinas

Orders of the Day

Ordres du jour

Amendment to the amendment to the motion regarding report writing proceedings of the Standing Committee on Justice Policy on the study on Intimate Partner Violence.

Le sous-amendement à la motion concernant la procédure de la rédaction d’un rapport sur la violence entre partenaires intimes du Comité permanent de la justice.

Debate resumed, during which the Acting Speaker (Andrea Hazell) interrupted the proceedings and announced that there had been six and one-half hours of debate and that the debate would be deemed adjourned.

Le débat a repris. La présidente suppléante (Andrea Hazell) a interrompu les travaux et a annoncé qu’il y avait eu six heures et demie de débat et que le débat serait réputé ajourné.

The Government House Leader directed that the debate should continue.

Le leader parlementaire du gouvernement a indiqué que le débat devrait se poursuivre.

Debate resumed and after some time, the debate adjourned.

Le débat a repris et après quelque temps, le débat était ajourné.

6:00 P.M.

Private Members' Public Business

18 H

Affaires d'intérêt public émanant des députées et députés

Lucille Collard moved,

Lucille Collard a proposé,

Second Reading of Bill 58, An Act respecting Franco-Ontarian bookstores and other Franco-Ontarian cultural institutions.

Deuxième lecture du projet de loi 58, Loi concernant les librairies franco-ontariennes et d'autres institutions culturelles franco-ontariennes.

Debate arose and after some time,

Il s’élève un débat et après quelque temps,

The question was then put.

La question a ensuite été mise aux voix.

Vote deferred.

Le vote est différé.


The House adjourned at 6:50 p.m.

À 18 h 50, l’Assemblée a ajourné ses travaux.


Changes To The Order Of Precedence Pursuant To Standing Order 100(c)

Changements Dans L'Ordre De Priorité conformément à l'article 100 c) du règlement

On the ballot list draw of March 20, 2025: Liste de billets de députées et députés établie le 20 mars 2025 :
Ballot no./Billet nº Assumed by/Assumé par
33 Michelle Cooper
45 Tyler Allsopp

Sessional Papers Presented Pursuant to Standing Order 43

Documents Parlementaires déposés conformément à l'article 43 du règlement

No., Suffix/Nº, Suffixe Title/Titre Date tabled/Date de dépôt
159 Compendium: Hon. Peter Bethlenfalvy, Bill 68, An Act to implement Budget measures and to enact and amend various statutes/L'hon. Peter Bethlenfalvy, Dossier à l’appui Projet de loi 68, Loi visant à mettre en œuvre les mesures budgétaires et à édicter et à modifier diverses lois November 6, 2025
160 Compendium: Ministry of Finance, Compendium to the Statement by the Minister of Finance, pursuant to Standing Order 40(d), regarding the 2025 Fall Economic Statement/Ministère des Finances, Dossier à l’appui de la déclaration du ministre des Finances conformément à l’article 40 d) du Règlement concernant l'Exposé économique de l'automne 2025 November 6, 2025

Responses to Petitions

Réponses aux pétitions

No./ Petition title/Titre de la pétition Presented by/Présentée par Date tabled/Date de dépôt
P-41 Social media and youth Catherine Fife May 8, 2025
  June 2, 2025
P-42 Use of chemical herbicides France Gélinas May 8, 2025
P-43 Indigenous reconciliation Jamie West May 8, 2025
P-44 Parking fees at residential buildings Jennifer (Jennie) Stevens May 8, 2025
  May 12, 2025
  May 28, 2025
  May 29, 2025