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No. 19 |
No 19 |
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Prayers |
Prières |
The Speaker addressed the House as follows:-
I beg to inform the House I have today laid upon the Table the Annual Report of the Ombudsman for the period April 1, 1997 to March 31, 1998 (No. 35) (Tabled June 2, 1998).
The Speaker delivered the following ruling:-
Yesterday, the member for Scarborough-Agincourt raised a point of privilege relating to questions asked by him and by the member for Lambton, during oral questions on May 27 and 28, of the Minister of Natural Resources relating to Ipperwash Provincial Park.
The member for Scarborough-Agincourt alleged, in effect, that the member for Lambton and the Minister of Natural Resources combined in the design of a question on the subject of Ipperwash, and the response to it, in a way that would lead listeners to the view that he had misled the House on the previous day or, at the very least, that the essence of his question was based upon inaccurate information and that this incompleteness had the effect of portraying a misleading picture, whether deliberate or not. By planning this "attack", as the member termed it, and by refusing to respond to his questions, the member for Scarborough-Agincourt asserted that he was being obstructed in his ability to perform his parliamentary duties and therefore his privileges had been breached.
Having been in the chair during these events, I am fully aware of what transpired that causes the member for Scarborough-Agincourt to raise his point.
With respect to his concern that the Minister of Natural Resources has declined to answer his questions during question period, but did answer the questions of the member for Lambton, I say that complaints of this type have been commonly raised. The Speaker, however, possesses no authority to compel Ministers to answer questions; indeed, the Standing Orders explicitly allow ministers the discretion to decline to answer questions altogether. Therefore, the member's grievance on this issue enjoys no recourse.
On the issue of the competing views that exist concerning the underlying veracity of the comments of either the member for Scarborough-Agincourt, the member for Lambton or the Minister of Natural Resources, again the Speaker possesses no ability to address the matter. As the presiding officer, I must assume that all members are honourable members, that all members speak truthfully in this House and indeed I am bound to call to order, and sanction if necessary, any member who accuses another member otherwise. I believe that circumstances such as the member for Scarborough-Agincourt has brought forward fall into the category of reasonable people having to agree to disagree, and otherwise drawing their own private conclusions beyond that. In the absence of a clearly unparliamentary statement, it is beyond my jurisdiction to select one member's version of accuracy over that of another member. In my role as Speaker, I must assume both views are accurate, each honestly arrived at through different or opposite analysis of the information at hand, each honestly held and each equally valid.
As is often the case when heated and controversial issues are debated in this House, the form of that debate and the conduct of members may not always cast this legislature in the noblest light; all of this is in the nature, the culture, of this place, and certainly does not constitute a breach of members' privileges.
I cannot find that any of the issues complained of by the member for Scarborough-Agincourt impeded his ability to perform his parliamentary duties. I therefore find that a prima facie case of privilege has not been made out.
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INTRODUCTION OF BILLS |
DÉPÔT DES PROJETS DE LOI |
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The following Bills were introduced and read the first time:- Bill 28, An Act to permit the Collection of Personal Information for the Payment of the Ontario Child Care Supplement for Working Families. Hon. E. Eves. Bill 29, An Act to increase teacher representation at the Ontario College of Teachers and to make other amendments to the Ontario College of Teachers Act, 1996. Mr. B. Wildman. Bill 30, An Act to promote zero tolerance for substance abuse by children. Mr. T. Young. |
Les projets de loi suivants sont présentés et lus une première fois:- Projet de loi 28, Loi permettant la collecte de renseignements personnels en vue du versement du supplément de revenu de l'Ontario pour les familles travailleuses ayant des frais de garde d'enfants. L'hon. E. Eves. Projet de loi 29, Loi visant à accroître la représentation des enseignants au sein de l'Ordre des enseignantes et des enseignants de l'Ontario et apportant d'autres modifications à la Loi de 1996 sur l'Ordre des enseignantes et des enseignants de l'Ontario. M. B. Wildman. Projet de loi 30, Loi encourageant une tolérance zéro concernant l'abus de substances par des enfants. M. T. Young. |
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The following Bill was introduced, read the first time and referred to the Standing Committee on Regulations and Private Bills:- |
Le projet de loi suivant est présenté, lu une première fois et déféré au Comité permanent des règlements et des projets de loi privés:- |
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Bill Pr7, An Act respecting Maimonides Schools for Jewish Studies. Mrs. L. Ross.
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PETITIONS |
PÉTITIONS |
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Pétition ayant rapport au Financement des avortements par les contribuables (Sessional Paper No. P-2) (Tabled June 2, 1998) Mrs. S. Pupatello. Petitions relating to Enacting legislation to recognize freedom of health care workers (Sessional Paper No. P-7) (Tabled June 2, 1998) Mr. C. DeFaria, Mrs. H. Johns, Ms. F. Lankin, Mrs. L. Ross. Petition relating to the Recognition of the contributions of chiropractors to Ontario Health Care (Sessional Paper No. P-9) (Tabled June 2, 1998) Mr. R. Bartolucci. Petition relating to Stopping the restructuring project and providing funding to the developmentally disabled (Sessional Paper P-19) (Tabled June 2, 1998) Mr. A. Cullen. Petition relating to Stopping funding of abortions, dropping injunctions against pro-life witnessing, and recognizing freedoms of health care workers (Sessional Paper No. P-32) (Tabled June 2, 1998) Mr. J. Spina. |
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ORDERS OF THE DAY |
ORDRE DU JOUR |
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Mr. Sterling moved |
M. Sterling propose, |
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That, pursuant to Standing Order 46 and notwithstanding any other Standing Order or Special Order of the House relating to Bill 15, An Act to cut taxes for people and for small businesses and to implement other measures contained in the 1998 Budget, when Bill 15 is next called as a government order, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the second reading stage of the bill, without further debate or amendment; and at such time, the bill shall be referred to the Standing Committee on Administration of Justice; That the Standing Committee on Administration of Justice shall be authorized to meet to consider the bill at its regularly scheduled meeting times on June 8 and June 9, 1998.
That, pursuant to Standing Order 74(d), the Chair of the Standing Committee on Administration of Justice shall establish the deadline for the tabling of amendments or for filing them with the Clerk of the Standing Committee;
That the Committee shall be authorized to meet for the purpose of clause-by-clause consideration of the bill on Thursday, June 11, 1998 from 9:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon, and following Routine Proceedings until completion of clause-by-clause consideration of the bill;
That, at 4:30 p.m. on that day, those amendments which have not yet been moved shall be deemed to have been moved, and the Chair of the Committee shall interrupt the proceedings and shall, without further debate or amendment, put every question necessary to dispose of all remaining sections of the bill and any amendments thereto.
That any divisions required shall be deferred until all remaining questions have been put and taken in succession with one 20-minute waiting period allowed pursuant to Standing Order 127(a);
That the Committee shall report the bill to the House on Monday, June 15, 1998. In the event that the Committee fails to report the bill on the date provided, the bill shall be deemed to have been passed by the Committee and shall be deemed to be reported to and received by the House;
That upon receiving the report of the Standing Committee on Administration of Justice, the Speaker shall put the question for adoption of the report forthwith and at such time the bill shall be ordered for third reading;
That one Sessional day shall be allotted to the third reading stage of the bill. At 5:55 p.m. or 9:25 p.m., as the case may be, on such day, the Speaker shall interrupt the proceedings and shall put every question necessary to dispose of this stage of the bill without further debate or amendment;
That, the vote on third reading of the bill may, at the request of any chief whip of a recognized party in the House, be deferred until the next Sessional day during the Routine Proceeding "Deferred Votes"; and
That, in the case of any division relating to any proceeding on the bill, the division bells shall be limited to five minutes.
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A debate arising, after some time, the motion was carried on the following division:- |
Un débat s'ensuit et après quelque temps, la motion est adoptée par le vote suivant :- |
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AYES / POUR - 57 |
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Arnott |
Hodgson |
Runciman |
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Baird |
Jackson |
Sampson |
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Barrett |
Johns |
Saunderson |
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Beaubien |
Johnson |
Shea |
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Boushy |
(Don Mills) |
Skarica |
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Brown |
Jordan |
Smith |
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(Scarborough West) |
Kells |
Snobelen |
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Carr |
Klees |
Spina |
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Cunningham |
Leadston |
Sterling |
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Ecker |
Martiniuk |
Tascona |
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Elliott |
McLean |
Tilson |
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Eves |
Munro |
Tsubouchi |
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Ford |
Murdoch |
Turnbull |
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Fox |
Newman |
Vankoughnet |
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Galt |
O'Toole |
Villeneuve |
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Gilchrist |
Ouellette |
Wettlaufer |
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Grimmett |
Pettit |
Wilson |
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Guzzo |
Preston |
Witmer |
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AYES / POUR - Continued
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Hardeman |
Rollins |
Young |
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Hastings |
Ross |
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NAYS / CONTRE - 26 |
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Bartolucci |
Grandmaître |
Phillips |
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Boyd |
Gravelle |
Pouliot |
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Bradley |
Hoy |
Pupatello |
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Churley |
Kwinter |
Ramsay |
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Cleary |
Lessard |
Ruprecht |
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Conway |
Marchese |
Silipo |
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Cullen |
McLeod |
Wildman |
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Duncan |
Miclash |
Wood |
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Gerretsen |
Patten |
(Cochrane North) |
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At 6:00 p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pursuant to Standing Order 37(b). |
À 18 h, la motion portant «Que la présente Assemblée ajourne les débats maintenant» est réputée avoir été proposée conformément à l'article 37(b) du Règlement. |
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After one matter was considered, the question was deemed to have been adopted. |
Après l'étude d'une question la motion d'ajournement des débats est réputée avoir été adoptée. |
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The House then adjourned at 6:10 p.m. |
A 18 h 10, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux. |
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6:30 P.M. |
18 H 30 |
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ORDERS OF THE DAY |
ORDRE DU JOUR |
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Pursuant to the Order of the House of June 1, 1998, the Acting Speaker (Mr. Johnson (Perth)) put the question, on Second Reading of Bill 16, An Act to give Tax Relief to Small Businesses, Charities and Others and to make other amendments respecting the Financing of Local Government and Schools which motion was declared carried and the Bill was accordingly read the second time and Ordered referred to the Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs. |
Conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 1er juin 1998, le président par intérim, M. Johnson (Perth) met la motion portant deuxième lecture du projet de loi 16, Loi visant à alléger les impôts des petites entreprises, des organismes de bienfaisance et d'autres et à apporter d'autres modifications en ce qui a trait au financement des administrations locales et des écoles aux voix et ladite motion est déclarée adoptée et en conséquence, le projet de loi est lu une deuxième fois et déféré au Comité permanent des finances et des affaires économiques. |
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Debate was resumed on the motion for Second Reading of Bill 12, An Act to provide choice and flexibility to Northern Residents in the establishment of service delivery mechanisms that recognize the unique circumstances of Northern Ontario and to allow increased efficiency and accountability in Area-wide Service Delivery. |
Le débat reprend sur la motion portant deuxième lecture du projet de loi 12, Loi visant à offrir aux résidents du Nord plus de choix et de souplesse dans la mise en place de mécanismes de prestation des services qui tiennent compte de la situation unique du Nord de l'Ontario et à permettre l'accroissement de l'efficience et de la responsabilité en ce qui concerne la prestation des services à l'échelle régionale. |
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After some time, pursuant to Standing Order 9(a), the motion for the adjournment of the debate was deemed to have been made and carried. |
Après quelque temps, conformément à l'article 9(a) du Règlement, la motion d'ajournement du débat est réputée avoir été proposée et adoptée. |
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The House then adjourned at 9:30 p.m. |
A 21 h 30, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux. |
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SESSIONAL PAPERS PRESENTED PURSUANT TO STANDING ORDER 39(A):- |
DOCUMENTS PARLEMENTAIRES DÉPOSÉS CONFORMÉMENT À L'ARTICLE 39(A) DU RÈGLEMENT |
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RESPONSES TO PETITIONS |
RÉPONSES AUX PÉTITIONS |
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Petition relating to Stopping the funding of abortions (Sessional Paper No. P-1):
(Tabled April 27, 1998) Mr. M. Beaubien, Mr. J. Carroll, Mr. B. Grimmett.
(Tabled April 28, 1998) Mr. B. Johnson (Perth), Mr. J.-M. Lalonde.
(Tabled April 29, 1998) Mr. J. Cleary, Mr. W. Lessard, Mr. A. McLean, Mr. F. Sheehan, Mr. B. Wood (London South).
(Tabled April 30, 1998) Mr. B. Crozier.
(Tabled May 4, 1998) Mr. P. Hoy, Ms. Shelley Martel, Mr. John O'Toole, Mr. R. Patten.
(Tabled May 5, 1998) Mr. D. Boushy, Mr. P. Hoy.
(Tabled May 7, 1998) Mr. M. Brown (Algoma-Manitoulin).
(Tabled May 11, 1998) Mr. D. Duncan, Ms. S. Martel.
(Tabled May 12, 1998) Mr. T. Barrett, Mr. D. Caplan, Mr. B. Murdoch.
(Tabled May 14, 1998) Mr. B. Grimmett.
Pétition ayant rapport au Financement des avortements par les contribuables (Sessional Paper No. P-2):
(Tabled April 27, 1998) Ms. S. Martel.
Petition relating to Enacting legislation to recognize freedom of health care workers (Sessional Paper No. P-7):
(Tabled April 27, 1998) Mr. R. Marchese.
(Tabled April 29, 1998) Mr. E. Hardeman.
(Tabled April 30, 1998) Mr. F. Klees, Mr. M. Sergio.
(Tabled May 4, 1998) Mrs. H. Johns.
(Tabled May 5, 1998) Mr. B. Wood (London South).
(Tabled May 6, 1998) Mr. A. McLean.
(Tabled May 7, 1998) Mr. M. Brown (Algoma-Manitoulin), Mrs. J. Munro, Mr. J. Parker.
(Tabled May 11, 1998) Mr. F. Klees.
(Tabled May 12, 1998) Mr. D. Caplan, Mrs. B. Elliott, Mr. G. Morin.
(Tabled May 14, 1998) Mr. S. Conway, Mr. J. Hastings, Mr. J. Spina.
Petition relating to the Recognition of the contributions of chiropractors to Ontario Health Care (Sessional Paper No. P-9):
(Tabled April 28, 1998) Mr. B. Crozier, Mr. W. Lessard.
(Tabled April 29, 1998) Mr. T. Arnott.
(Tabled April 30, 1998) Mr. J. O'Toole.
(Tabled May 4, 1998) Mr. F. Klees.
(Tabled May 5, 1998) Mr. P. North.
(Tabled May 6, 1998) Mr. D. Duncan.
(Tabled May 12, 1998) Mr. T. Ruprecht.
(Tabled May 13, 1998) Mr. J. O'Toole.
(Tabled May 14, 1998) Mr. B. Grimmett, Mr. T. Ruprecht.
Petition relating to the Provision of more Long Term Care Services and Beds (Sessional Paper No. P-12):
(Tabled April 29, 1998) Mr. M. Gravelle, Mrs. L. McLeod.
(Tabled May 4, 1998) Mr. M. Gravelle.
Petition relating to Holding a referendum on the withdrawal or repeal of Bill 160 (Sessional Paper No. P-14):
(Tabled April 30, 1998) Mr. B. Wildman.
(Tabled May 5, 1998) Mr. J. Cleary.
Petition relating to Enacting legislation to include the teaching of Origins by using a two-model approach in Ontario's school curriculum (Sessional Paper No. P-15):
(Tabled April 30, 1998) Mr. L. Wood (Cochrane North).
Petition relating to the Introduction of legislation to limit women appearing topless to designated beach areas (Sessional Paper No. P-34):
(Tabled May 12, 1998) Mr. J. Baird.
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