Legislative Assembly of Ontario

No. 10

N^o 10

Votes and Proceedings

Procès-verbaux

Legislative Assembly
of Ontario

Assemblée législative
de l'Ontario

Thursday
December 4, 2003

Morning and
Daytime Meeting - Sessional Day 16
Evening Meeting - Sessional Day 17

Jeudi
4 décembre 2003

Séance du matin et
de l'après-midi - jour de session 16
Séance du soir - jour de session 17

1^st Session,
38^th Parliament

1^re session
38^e legislature

PRAYERS
10:00 A.M.

PRIÈRES
10 H

Mr. Levac moved,

M. Levac propose,

Second Reading of Bill 3, An Act to protect anaphylactic students.

Deuxième lecture du projet de loi 3, Loi visant à protéger les élèves anaphylactiques.

A debate arising, at 11:00 a.m., further proceedings were reserved until 12:00 noon.

À 11 h, la suite du débat est réservée jusqu'à midi.

Mr. Murdoch then moved,

Ensuite, M. Murdoch propose,

That in the opinion of this House, the Government of Ontario should live up to its campaign promise to `Strengthen Democracy' through `Democratic Renewal'.

At 11:50 a.m., there being no further debate, pursuant to Standing Order 96(e), the Acting Speaker (Mr. Crozier) suspended the proceedings until 12:00 noon.

À 11 h 50, comme il n'y a plus de débat, conformément à l'article 96(e) du Règlement, le président par intérim, M. Crozier, suspend les délibérations jusqu'à midi.

The question having been put on the motion for Second Reading of Bill 3, An Act to protect anaphylactic students, it was declared carried and the Bill was accordingly read the second time and Ordered referred to the Standing Committee on General Government.

La motion portant deuxième lecture du projet de loi 3, Loi visant à protéger les élèves anaphylactiques, mise aux voix, est déclarée adoptée et le projet de loi est en conséquence lu une deuxième fois et renvoyé au Comité permanent des affaires gouvernementales.

The question having been put on Mr. Murdoch's Resolution Number 2, it was declared carried.

La motion, mise aux voix, sur la résolution numéro 2 de M. Murdoch est déclarée adoptée.

1:30 P.M.

13 H 30

INTRODUCTION OF BILLS

DÉPÔT DES PROJETS DE LOI

The following Bill was introduced and read the first time:-

Le projet de loi suivant est présenté et lu une première fois:-

Bill 12, An Act to amend the Ontarians with Disabilities Act, 2001. Mr. Jackson.

Projet de loi 12, Loi modifiant la Loi de 2001 sur le personnes handicapées de l'Ontario. M. Jackson.

On motion by Mr. Lalonde, Bill 13, An Act to amend the Public Transportation and Highway Improvement Act to officially recognize Highway 401 as the Macdonald-Cartier Freeway was introduced and read the first time on the following division:-

Sur la motion de M. Lalonde, le projet de loi 13, Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'aménagement des voies publiques et des transports en commun afin de reconnaître officiellement l'autoroute 401 comme l'autoroute Macdonald-Cartier est présenté et lu une première fois à la suite du vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 79

Agostino

Arnott

Arthurs

Baird

Barrett

Bartolucci

Bentley

Berardinetti

Churley

Colle

Cordiano

Craitor

Crozier

Delaney

Dhillon

Dombrowsky

Hardeman

Hoy

Hudak

Jackson

Jeffrey

Klees

Kormos

Kwinter

Meilleur

Miller

Milloy

Mitchell

Munro

Murdoch

O'Toole

Ouellette

Rinaldi

Runciman

Ruprecht

Sandals

Scott

Sergio

Smitherman

Sorbara

AYES / POUR - Continued

Bisson

Bountrogianni

Bradley

Broten

Bryant

Cansfield

Caplan

Chambers

Duguid

Duncan

Dunlop

Flaherty

Flynn

Fonseca

Gerretsen

Gravelle

Lalonde

Leal

Levac

Marchese

Marsales

Martel

Matthews

McMeekin

Parsons

Peters

Peterson

Phillips

Prue

Pupatello

Qaadri

Ramal

Tascona

Watson

Wilkinson

Witmer

Wong

Wynne

Zimmer

NAYS / CONTRE - 0

The following Bill was introduced and read the first time:-

Le projet de loi suivant est présenté et lu une première fois:-

Bill 14, An Act to amend the Vital Statistics Act and the Child and Family Services Act in respect of adoption disclosure. Ms. Churley.

Projet de loi 14, Loi modifiant la Loi sur les statistiques de l'état civil et la Loi sur les services à l'enfance et à la famille en ce qui concerne la divulgation de renseignements sur les adoptions. M^me Churley.

Following remarks by Ms. Pupatello, Mrs. Witmer and Ms. Churley, the House observed a moment of silence in rememberance of the tragic events at the University of Montreal, Quebec on December 6, 1989.

PETITIONS

PÉTITIONS

Petition relating to eliminating the $5.6 billion deficit left by the previous government (Sessional Paper No. P-6) Mr. Tascona.

Petitions relating to the bill proposing an amendment to The Optometry Act (Sessional Paper No. P-7) Mr. Marchese and Ms. Martel.

Petition relating to freezing and reducing tuition fees (Sessional Paper No. P-10) Mr. Ruprecht.

Petition relating to enacting revision to the adoption secrecy legislation (Sessional Paper No. P-12) Ms. Churley.

Petition relating to halting the closure of Prince of Wales Public School in Simcoe County (Sessional Paper No. P-13) Mr. Tascona.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORDRE DU JOUR

Debate was resumed on the motion by Mr. Duncan, That notwithstanding any Standing Order or special order of the House, there be a timetable applied to the consideration of certain business of the House as follows:

(A) Bill 2, An Act respecting fiscal responsibility:

1. At 10 minutes before the normal hour of adjournment on the day on which the bill is next called as the first government order, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Second Reading stage of the bill without further debate or amendment;

2. Upon receiving Second Reading, the bill shall be ordered referred to the Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs;

3. The Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs shall meet for two consecutive sitting days commencing on the first sitting day following the passage of Second Reading for the purpose of public hearings and clause-by-clause consideration of the bill;

4. The Committee may meet from 10 a.m. to 12:00 noon and again following routine proceedings until 6:00 p.m. on each of the two days;

5. At 4:00 p.m. on the second day, those amendments which have not yet been moved shall be deemed to have been moved, and the Chair of the Committee shall interrupt the proceedings and shall cause there to be one final 20-minute waiting period for the purpose of calling in the members, and shall then immediately without further debate or amendment, put every question necessary to dispose of clause-by-clause consideration of the bill;

6. The Committee shall report the bill to the House no later than the first sessional day that reports from committees may be received following the second day of the Committee's consideration of the bill;

7. In the event that the Committee fails to report the bill as provided in paragraph 6, the bill shall be deemed to have been passed by the Committee and reported to and received by the House;

8. Upon being reported to the House, the bill shall be ordered for Third Reading, which order may be called on the same sessional day;

9. There shall be 2 sessional days of Third Reading debate on the bill;

10. At 10 minutes before the normal hour of adjournment on the second day, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Third Reading stage of the bill;

11. No deferral of any vote shall be permitted.

(B) Bill 4, An Act to amend the Ontario Energy Board Act, 1998 with respect to electricity pricing:

1. At 10 minutes before the normal hour of adjournment on the day on which the bill is next called as the first government order, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Second Reading stage of the bill without further debate or amendment; the vote on Second Reading may not be deferred;

2. Upon receiving Second Reading, the bill shall be ordered referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Social Policy;

3. The Standing Committee on Justice and Social Policy shall meet at the call of the Chair for 2 days for the purpose of public hearings and clause-by-clause consideration of the bill;

4. The Committee may meet from 10 a.m. to 12:00 noon and again following routine proceedings until 6:00 p.m. on each of the two days;

5. At 4:00 p.m. on the second day, those amendments which have not yet been moved shall be deemed to have been moved, and the Chair of the Committee shall interrupt the proceedings and shall cause there to be one final 20-minute waiting period for the purpose of calling in the members, and shall then immediately without further debate or amendment, put every question necessary to dispose of clause-by-clause consideration of the bill;

6. The Committee shall report the bill to the House no later than the first sessional day that reports from committees may be received following the Committee's second day of consideration of the bill;

7. In the event that the Committee fails to report the bill as provided in paragraph 6, the bill shall be deemed to have been passed by the Committee and reported to and received by the House;

8. Upon being reported to the House, the bill shall be ordered for Third Reading, which order may be called on the same sessional day;

9. There shall be 1 sessional day of Third Reading debate on the bill;

10. At 10 minutes before the normal hour of adjournment on that day the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Third Reading stage of the bill.

11. The vote on Third Reading may be deferred.

(C) Bill 5, An Act to temporarily freeze automobile insurance rates for private passenger vehicles and to provide for the review and regulation of risk classification systems and automobile insurance rates for private passenger vehicles:

1. At 10 minutes before the normal hour of adjournment on the day on which the bill is next called as the first government order, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Second Reading stage of the bill without further debate or amendment;

2. Upon receiving Second Reading, the bill shall be ordered referred to the Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs;

3. The Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs shall meet for 2 days at the call of the Chair for the purpose of public hearings and clause-by-clause consideration of the bill;

4. The Committee may meet from 10 a.m. to 12:00 noon and again following routine proceedings until 6:00 p.m. on each of the two days;

5. The Committee's second day of consideration of the bill shall be completed on or before Tuesday, December 16, 2003;

6. At 4:00 p.m. on the second day, those amendments which have not yet been moved shall be deemed to have been moved, and the Chair of the Committee shall interrupt the proceedings and shall cause there to be one final 20-minute waiting period for the purpose of calling in the members, and shall then immediately without further debate or amendment, put every question necessary to dispose of clause-by-clause consideration of the bill;

7. The Committee shall report the bill to the House no later than the first sessional day that reports from committees may be received following the Committee's second day of consideration of the bill;

8. In the event that the Committee fails to report the bill as provided in paragraph 7, the bill shall be deemed to have been passed by the Committee and reported to and received by the House;

9. Upon being reported to the House, the bill shall be ordered for Third Reading, which order may be called on the same sessional day;

10. There shall be 1 sessional day of Third Reading debate on the bill;

11. At 10 minutes before the normal hour of adjournment on that day the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Third Reading stage of the bill;

12. No deferral of any vote shall be permitted.

(D) Opposition Day:

2. The Official Opposition shall be entitled to give notice of a motion for consideration pursuant to Standing Order 42;

3. The date for consideration of such motion shall be Wednesday, December 10, 2003.

(E) Government Notice of Motion # 10, motion to appoint Presiding Officers:

1. When Government Notice of Motion #10 is called, 1 sessional day shall be allocated to the debate;

2. At 10 minutes before the normal hour of adjournment on that day, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the motion without further debate or amendment; the vote on this motion may be deferred.

(F) Government Order # 2, motion to take the Speech of His Honour the Lieutenant Governor into consideration:

1. When Government Order #2 is next called one sessional day shall be allocated to the debate;

2. At 10 minutes before the normal hour of adjournment on that day, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the motion without further debate or amendment; the vote on this motion may be deferred.

In the case of any division relating to any proceedings A through F, the division bell shall be limited to 10 minutes.

After some time, Ms. Martel moved the adjournment of the debate, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Après quelque temps, M^me Martel propose l'ajournement du débat et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 6 Nays - 37

Pour - 6 Contre - 37

The debate continued and, after some time, Ms. Martel moved the adjournment of the House, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M^me Martel propose l'ajournement des débats de l'Assemblée et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 5 Nays - 35

Pour - 5 Contre - 35

The debate continued and after some time, Mr. O'Toole moved under Standing Order 47 "That this question be now put", which motion was carried on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M. O'Toole propose «Que cette question soit maintenant mise aux voix» conformément à l'article 47 du Règlement, et cette motion est adoptée par le vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 37

Agostino

Arthurs

Baird

Berardinetti

Bountrogianni

Bradley

Broten

Cansfield

Caplan

Colle

Cordiano

Delaney

Dhillon

Duguid

Duncan

Flynn

Fonseca

Gravelle

Jeffrey

Kennedy

Lalonde

Levac

Marsales

Mossop

O'Toole

Peterson

Phillips

Qaadri

Racco

Ramal

Ruprecht

Sergio

Tascona

Wilkinson

Wong

Wynne

Zimmer

NAYS / CONTRE - 5

Bisson

Churley

Kormos

Marchese

Prue

The main motion, having then been put, was carried on the following division:-

La motion principale, après avoir été mise aux voix, est adoptée par le vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 36

Agostino

Arthurs

Baird

Berardinetti

Bradley

Broten

Cansfield

Caplan

Chambers

Colle

Delaney

Dhillon

Duguid

Duncan

Flynn

Fonseca

Gravelle

Jeffrey

Kennedy

Klees

Kwinter

Marsales

Mossop

O'Toole

Peterson

Phillips

Qaadri

Racco

Ramal

Ruprecht

Sergio

Tascona

Wilkinson

Wong

Wynne

Zimmer

NAYS / CONTRE - 5

Bisson

Churley

Kormos

Marchese

Prue

The House then adjourned at 6:30 p.m.

À 18 h 30, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux.

6:45 P.M.

18 H 45

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORDRE DU JOUR

Mr. Bradley moved,

M. Bradley propose,

That Bruce Crozier, Member for the Electoral District of Essex, be appointed Deputy Speaker and Chair of the Committee of the Whole House; that Ted Arnott, Member for the Electoral District of Waterloo-Wellington be appointed First Deputy Chair of the Committee of the Whole House, and that Joseph Tascona, Member for the Electoral District of Barrie-Simcoe-Bradford be appointed Second Deputy Chair of the Committee of the Whole House.

On a point of order being raised, the Acting Speaker (Mr. Crozier) declined to recuse himself from presiding over the debate on the motion.

On a point of order being raised concerning an apparent conflict between Standing Order 4 and Section 28(1) of the Legislative Assembly Act, the Acting Speaker found the motion to be in order and permitted the debate to proceed.

After some time, Mr. Kormos moved the adjournment of the debate, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Après quelque temps, M. Kormos propose l'ajournement du débat et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 5 Nays - 29

Pour - 5 Contre - 29

The debate continued and, after some time, Mr. Kormos moved the adjournment of the House, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M. Kormos propose l'ajournement des débats de l'Assemblée et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 6 Nays - 31

Pour - 6 Contre - 31

The debate continued and, after some time, Mr. Bisson moved the adjournment of the debate, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M. Bisson propose l'ajournement du débat et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 5 Nays - 29

Pour - 5 Contre - 29

The debate continued and, after some time, Mr. Bisson moved the adjournment of the House, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M. Bisson propose l'ajournement des débats de l'Assemblée et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 5 Nays - 29

Pour - 5 Contre - 29

The debate continued and, after some time, Ms. Churley moved the adjournment of the debate, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M^me Churley propose l'ajournement du débat et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 5 Nays - 27

Pour - 5 Contre - 27

The debate continued and, after some time, Ms. Churley moved the adjournment of the House, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M^me Churley propose l'ajournement des débats de l'Assemblée et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 6 Nays - 26

Pour - 6 Contre - 26

The debate continued and, after some time, Mr. Prue moved the adjournment of the debate, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M. Prue propose l'ajournement du débat et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 5 Nays - 25

Pour - 5 Contre - 25

The debate continued and, after some time, Mr. Prue moved the adjournment of the House, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M. Prue propose l'ajournement des débats de l'Assemblée et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 6 Nays - 28

Pour - 6 Contre - 28

The debate continued and, after some time, Mr. Marchese moved the adjournment of the debate, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M. Marchese propose l'ajournement du débat et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 5 Nays - 26

Pour - 5 Contre - 26

The debate continued and, after some time, Mr. Marchese moved the adjournment of the House, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M. Marchese propose l'ajournement des débats de l'Assemblée et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 5 Nays - 25

Pour - 5 Contre - 25

The debate continued and, after some time, Ms. Martel moved the adjournment of the debate, which motion was lost on the following division:-

Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps, M^me Martel propose l'ajournement du débat et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-

Ayes - 5 Nays - 24

Pour - 5 Contre - 24

At 11:50 p.m., pursuant to the Order of the House of December 4, 2003, the Speaker interrupted the proceedings and put the question, and declared his opinion that the ayes had it, and a recorded vote having been demanded,

À 11 h 50, conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 4 décembre 2003, le Président interrompt les délibérations, met la motion aux voix, et déclare qu'à son avis les voix favorables l'emportent et un vote par appel nominal a été demandé,

The Speaker directed that the Members be called in, for which purpose the division bells were rung.

Le Président donne des directives pour convoquer les députés et la sonnerie d'appel se fait entendre.

During the ringing of the bells, the Speaker addressed the House as follows:-

Pendant la sonnerie d'appel, le Président s'adresse à l'Assemblée en ces mots:-

I have received a request from the Chief Government Whip, under Standing Order 28(h), that the vote on Government Notice of Motion Number 10 be deferred until December 8, 2003.

J'ai reçu une requête du Whip en chef du gouvernement, conformément à l'article 28(h) du Règlement, que le vote sur l'avis de motion numéro 10 émanant du gouvernement soit différé jusqu'au 8 décembre 2003.

Therefore the vote is accordingly deferred.

En conséquence, le vote est différé.

The House then adjourned at 11:55 p.m.

À 23 h 55, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux.

le président

Alvin Curling

Speaker

SESSIONAL PAPERS PRESENTED PURSUANT TO STANDING ORDER 39(A):-

DOCUMENTS PARLEMENTAIRES DÉPOSÉS CONFORMÉMENT À L'ARTICLE 39(A) DU RÈGLEMENT

Report of the Pickering "A" Review Panel dated December 2003 (No. 2).

Status of Business

État des Travaux

1st Session,
38th Parliament

1^re Session,
38^e Législature

[December 4, 2003]

Section 1

Section 1

Legislation

Projets de loi

Public Bills Index

Index des Projets de Loi d'Intérêt Public

Government and Private Members'

Gouvernement et Députés

GOVERNMENT BILLS AND PRIVATE MEMBERS' PUBLIC BILLS

PROJETS DE LOI ÉMANANT DU GOUVERNEMENT ET PROJETS DE LOI D'INTÉRÊT PUBLIC ÉMANANT DES DÉPUTÉS