37th Parliament, 4th Session

No. 12

No 12

Votes and Proceedings

Procès-verbaux

Legislative Assembly
of Ontario

Assemblée législative
de l'Ontario

Wednesday
May 21, 2003


Daytime Meeting - Sessional Day 14
Evening Meeting - Sessional Day 15

Mercredi
21 mai 2003


Séance de l'après-midi - jour de session 14
Séance du soir - jour de session 15

4th Session,
37th Parliament

4e session
37e législature

PRAYERS
1:30 P.M.

PRIÈRES
13 H 30

Mr. Tsubouchi delivered to the Speaker a message from His Honour the Lieutenant Governor signed by his own hand, and the said message was read by the Speaker and is as follows:-

James K. Bartleman

The Lieutenant Governor transmits Estimates of certain sums required for the services of the Province for the year ending 31st March 2004 and recommends them to the Legislative Assembly.

Le lieutenant-gouverneur transmet les prévisions de certains montants nécessaires pour assurer les services de la province pour l'exercice se terminant le 31 mars 2004 et les recommande à l'Assemblée législative.

Toronto, 21st May 2003

Toronto, le 21 mai 2003

(Sessional Paper No. 3, Agriculture and Food; Attorney General; Cabinet Office; Citizenship; Community, Family and Children's Services; Consumer and Business Services; Culture; Education; Energy; Enterprise, Opportunity and Innovation; Environment; Finance; Office of Francophone Affairs; Health and Long-Term Care; Intergovernmental Affairs; Labour; Office of the Lieutenant Governor; Management Board Secretariat; Municipal Affairs and Housing; Ontario Native Affairs Secretariat; Natural Resources; Northern Development and Mines; Office of the Premier; Public Safety and Security; Tourism and Recreation; Training, Colleges and Universities; Transportation).

(Document parlementaire no 3, Agriculture et Alimentation; Procureur général; Bureau du Conseil des ministres; Affaires civiques; Services à la collectivité, à la famille et à l'enfance; Services aux consommateurs et aux enterprises; Culture; Éducation; Énergie; Enterprise, Débouchés et Innovation; Environnement; Finances; Offices des affaires francophones; Santé et Soins de longue durée; Affaires intergouvernementales; Travail; Bureau du Lieutenant-gouverneur; Secrétariat du Conseil de gestion; Affaires municipales et Logement; Secrétariat des affaires autochtones de l'Ontario; Richesses naturelles; Développement du Nord et des Mines; Cabinet du Premier ministre; Sûreté et Sécurité publique; Tourisme et Loisirs; Formation, Collèges et Universités; Transports).

Ordered, That the message of the Lieutenant Governor together with the Estimates accompanying same be deemed to be referred to the Standing Committee on Estimates pursuant to Standing Order 58.

REPORTS BY COMMITTEES

RAPPORTS DES COMITÉS

The Speaker addressed the House as follows:-

I beg to inform the House that today the Clerk received the Report on intended appointments dated May 21, 2003 of the Standing Committee on Government Agencies. Pursuant to Standing Order 106(e), the Report is deemed to be adopted by the House (Sessional Paper No. 21).

Mr. Spina from the Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs presented the Committee's Report which was read as follows and adopted:-

M. Spina du Comité permanent des finances et des affaires économiques présente le rapport du comité qui est lu comme suit et adopté :-

Your Committee begs to report the following Bill as amended:-

Votre comité propose qu'il soit permis de faire rapport sur le projet de loi suivant avec des amendements :-

Bill 2, An Act to amend the Highway Traffic Act to restrict the conveyance of passengers for compensation.

Projet de loi 2, Loi modifiant le Code de la route pour restreindre le transport de passagers moyennant rémunération.

Ordered for Third Reading.

Ordonné pour la troisième lecture.

Mr. Marchese from the Standing Committee on Regulations and Private Bills presented the Committee's Report which was read as follows and adopted:-

Your Committee begs to report the following Bill without amendment:-

Bill Pr14, An Act respecting Redeemer University College.

INTRODUCTION OF BILLS

DÉPÔT DES PROJETS DE LOI

On motion by Mr. Eves, Bill 28, An Act to resolve a labour dispute between The Ontario English Catholic Teachers' Association and the Toronto Catholic District School Board and to amend the Education Act and the Provincial Schools Negotiations Act, was introduced and read the first time on the following division:-

Sur la motion de M. Eves, le projet de loi 28, Loi visant à régler le conflit de travail opposant l'Association des enseignantes et des enseignants catholiques anglo-ontariens et le conseil scolaire de district appelé Toronto Catholic District School Board et modifiant la Loi sur l'éducation et la Loi sur la négociation collective dans les écoles provinciales, est présenté et lu une première fois à la suite du vote suivant :-

AYES / POUR - 52

Arnott

Baird

Barrett

Beaubien

Chudleigh

Clark

Clement

Coburn

Cunningham

DeFaria

Dunlop

Ecker

Elliott

Eves

Flaherty

Galt

Gill

Guzzo

Hardeman

Hastings

Hudak

Jackson

Johns

Johnson

Kells

Klees

Marland

Martiniuk

Mazzilli

McDonald

Miller

Molinari

Munro

Murdoch

Mushinski

Newman

O'Toole

Ouellette

Runciman

Sampson

Spina

Sterling

Stewart

Stockwell

Tascona

Tsubouchi

Turnbull

Wettlaufer

Wilson

Witmer

Wood

Young

NAYS / CONTRE - 42

Agostino

Bartolucci

Bisson

Bountrogianni

Boyer

Bradley

Brown

Bryant

Caplan

Churley

Cleary

Colle

Conway

Crozier

Curling

Di Cocco

Dombrowsky

Duncan

Gerretsen

Gravelle

Hampton

Hoy

Kennedy

Kormos

Kwinter

Lalonde

Levac

Marchese

Martel

Martin

McGuinty

McLeod

McMeekin

Parsons

Patten

Phillips

Prue

Pupatello

Ramsay

Ruprecht

Sergio

Smitherman

The following Bills were introduced and read the first time:-

Les projets de loi suivants sont présentés et lus une première fois:-

Bill 29, An Act to amend the Public Inquiries Act. Mr. Wood.

Projet de loi 29, Loi modifiant la Loi sur les enquêtes publiques. M. Wood.

Bill 30, An Act to protect adults from abuse and neglect. Mr. Bartolucci.

Projet de loi 30, Loi visant à protéger les adultes contre la maltraitance et la négligence. M. Bartolucci.

Bill 31, An Act to ensure the preservation of the site of Toronto's first parliament buildings. Mr. Marchese.

Projet de loi 31, Loi visant à assurer la préservation du site des premiers édifices parlementaires de Toronto. M. Marchese.

Bill 32, An Act to amend the Ontario Water Resources Act. Mrs. Marland.

Projet de loi 32, Loi modifiant la Loi sur les ressources en eau de l' Ontario. Mme Marland.

Bill 33, An Act respecting the price of motor vehicle fuel and the appointment of a Gas Price Watchdog. Mr. Gravelle.

Projet de loi 33, Loi concernant le prix du carburant pour véhicules automobiles et la nomination d'un agent de surveillance des prix du carburant. M. Gravelle.

Bill 34, An Act to amend the Representation Act, 1996. Mr. Arnott.

Projet de loi 34, Loi modifiant la Loi de 1996 sur la représentation électorale. M. Arnott.

Bill 35, An Act to amend the Ontario Water Resources Act with respect to water source protection. Mrs. Dombrowsky.

Projet de loi 35, Loi modifiant la Loi sur les ressources en eau de l'Ontario en ce qui concerne la protection des sources d'alimentation en eau. Mme Dombrowsky.

Bill 36, An Act to protect sources of drinking water in Ontario. Ms. Churley.

Projet de loi 36, Loi visant à protéger les sources d'eau potable en Ontario. Mme Churley.

Bill 37, An Act to establish the Ontario Workers' Memorial. Mr. Agostino.

Projet de loi 37, Loi visant à ériger le monument commémoratif en hommage aux travailleurs de l'Ontario. M. Agostino.

Bill 38, An Act to amend the Child and family Services Act to allow one Children's Aid Society access to information held by another Children's Aid Society. Mr. Bartolucci.

Projet de loi 38, Loi modifiant la Loi sur les services à l'enfance et à la famille afin de permettre à une société d'aide à l'enfance d'avoir accès aux renseignements détenus par une autre société d'aide à l'enfance. M. Bartolucci.

Bill 39, An Act to restrict the operation of large hog farms and to amend the Nutrient Management Act, 2002. Ms. Churley.

Projet de loi 39, Loi visant à restreindre l'exploitation des grosses fermes porcines et à modifier la Loi de 2002 sur la gestion des éléments nutritifs. Mme Churley.

Bill 40, An Act respecting warranties offered by manufacturers of motor vehicles. Mr. Sampson.

Projet de loi 40, Loi concernant les garanties offertes par les fabricants des véhicules automobiles. M. Sampson.

The following Bills were introduced, read the first time and referred to the Standing Committee on Regulations and Private Bills:-

Les projets de loi suivants sont présentés, lus une première fois et déférés au Comité permanent des règlements et des projets de loi d'intérêt privé :-

Bill Pr12, An Act respecting the Municipality of Chatham-Kent. Mr. Beaubien.

Bill Pr21, An Act respecting Tyndale College & Seminary (formerly Ontario Bible College and Ontario Theological Seminary). Mr. Dunlop.

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(f) the Speaker interrupted "Introduction of Bills" and called "Motions".

Conformément à l'article 33(f) du Règlement, le Président interrompe la periode «Dépôt des projets de loi» et passe à «Motions».

MOTIONS

MOTIONS

With unanimous consent, on motion by Mr. Stockwell,

Avec le consentement unanime, sur la motion de M. Stockwell,

Ordered, That notwithstanding Standing Order 96(g) notice for ballot items 7, 8, 9 and 10 be waived.

With unanimous consent, on motion by Mr. Stockwell,

Avec le consentement unanime, sur la motion de M. Stockwell,

Ordered, That notwithstanding Order 96(d), the following changes be made to the ballot list for private members' public business:

Mr. Guzzo and Mr. Beaubien exchange places in order of precedence, such that Mr. Guzzo assumes ballot item 10, and Mr. Beaubien assumes ballot item number 7; and that

Mr. Beaubien and Mr. Wood exchange places in order of precedence, such that Mr. Beaubien assumes ballot item 15, and Mr. Wood assumes ballot item 7.

Mr. Stockwell moved,

M. Stockwell propose,

That pursuant to Standing Order 9(c)(i), the House shall meet from 6:45 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. on Wednesday, May 21, 2003, for the purpose of considering government business.

The question being put on the motion, it was carried on the following division:-

La motion, mise aux voix, est adoptée par le vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 83

Agostino

Arnott

Baird

Bartolucci

Beaubien

Bountrogianni

Boyer

Bradley

Brown

Bryant

Caplan

Chudleigh

Clark

Cleary

Clement

Coburn

Colle

Conway

Crozier

Cunningham

Curling

DeFaria

Di Cocco

Dombrowsky

Duncan

Dunlop

Ecker

Elliott

Eves

Flaherty

Galt

Gerretsen

Gill

Gravelle

Guzzo

Hardeman

Hastings

Hoy

Hudak

Jackson

Johns

Johnson

Kells

Kennedy

Klees

Kwinter

Lalonde

Levac

Marland

Martiniuk

Mazzilli

McDonald

McLeod

McMeekin

Miller

Molinari

Munro

Murdoch

Mushinski

Newman

O'Toole

Ouellette

Parsons

Patten

Phillips

Pupatello

Runciman

Ruprecht

Sampson

Sergio

Smitherman

Spina

Sterling

Stewart

Stockwell

Tascona

Tsubouchi

Turnbull

Wettlaufer

Wilson

Witmer

Wood

Young

NAYS / CONTRE - 7

Bisson

Hampton

Kormos

Marchese

Martel

Martin

Prue

DEFERRED VOTES

VOTES DIFFÉRÉS

The deferred vote on the motion by Mr. Conway arising from the Speaker's ruling of May 8, 2003, as follows:

"That this House declares that it is the undoubted right of the Legislative Assembly, in Parliament assembled, to be the first recipient of the Budget of Ontario",

was lost on the following division:-

AYES / POUR - 42

Agostino

Bartolucci

Bisson

Bountrogianni

Boyer

Bradley

Brown

Bryant

Caplan

Churley

Cleary

Colle

Conway

Crozier

Curling

Di Cocco

Dombrowsky

Duncan

Gerretsen

Gravelle

Hampton

Hoy

Kennedy

Kormos

Kwinter

Lalonde

Levac

Marchese

Martel

Martin

McGuinty

McLeod

McMeekin

Parsons

Patten

Phillips

Prue

Pupatello

Ruprecht

Sergio

Smitherman

Sorbara

NAYS / CONTRE - 53

Arnott

Baird

Barrett

Beaubien

Chudleigh

Clark

Clement

Coburn

Cunningham

DeFaria

Dunlop

Ecker

Elliott

Eves

Flaherty

Galt

Gilchrist

Gill

Guzzo

Hardeman

Hastings

Hudak

Jackson

Johns

Johnson

Kells

Klees

Marland

Martiniuk

Mazzilli

McDonald

Miller

Molinari

Munro

Murdoch

Mushinski

Newman

O'Toole

Ouellette

Runciman

Sampson

Spina

Sterling

Stewart

Stockwell

Tascona

Tsubouchi

Turnbull

Wettlaufer

Wilson

Witmer

Wood

Young

At 4:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(b), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings and called Orders of the Day.

À 16 heures, conformément à l'article 30(b) du Règlement, le Président interrompt les délibérations et passe à l'ordre du jour.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORDRE DU JOUR

Debate was resumed on the Amendment to the Amendment to the Motion for an Address in Reply to the Speech of His Honour the Lieutenant Governor at the Opening of the Session.

Le débat reprend sur le sous-amendement à la motion portant l'Adresse en réponse au discours prononcé par Son Honneur le lieutenant-gouverneur à l'ouverture de la session.

After some time, the amendment to the amendment to the motion was put as follows:-

Après quelque temps, le sous-amendement à la motion est mix aux voix comme suit:-

That the amendment to the motion be amended by striking out all the words after, "Whereas Ontarians" and substitute the following:-

"have felt the impact of bad Conservative privatization policies where it hurts - in the pocketbook;

Whereas the Conservatives ignore evidence from around the world that privatization of public necessities - such as water, hydro, health, education - doesn't work and costs more;

Whereas Ontarians are looking for practical solutions that would:

· Stop hydro privatization and deregulation and ensure clean, reliable public power at cost.

· Extend public home care, create 100 new Community Health Centres and cut long-term care user fees. Cancel plans for private MRI/CT clinics and privately built hospitals and put funds back into public health care.

· Keep our drinking water public and protect water from source to tap.

· Ensure every student has the opportunity to excel, guaranteed by a dedicated Education Excellence Fund that takes the politics out of education funding. No public funds for private schools.

· Immediately increase the minimum wage to $8 an hour, prohibit scabs and treat injured workers fairly.

· Freeze rents for two years, build at least 32,000 units of affordable housing and increase shelter allowances.

· Cut tuition by 10 per cent and ensure that no student is denied a quality education or training for financial reasons.

· Lower transit fares, shorten waits and reduce gridlock with a dedicated transportation trust fund.

· Reduce child care fees to $10 a day for 18 month to 5 year olds in non-profit, regulated child care, and create 20,000 new child care spaces.

· Protect your pension from inflation and let you take it with you from job to job.

Therefore this House endorses an agenda of public power."

The Deputy Speaker (Mr. Johnson) declared his opinion that the Nays had it, and a recorded vote having been demanded,

Le vice-président, M. Johnson déclare qu'à son avis les voix opposées l'emportent et un vote par appel nominal a été demandé.

The Deputy Speaker directed that the Members be called in, for which purpose the division bells were rung.

Le vice-président donne des directives pour convoquer les députés et la sonnerie d'appel se fait entendre.

During the ringing of the bells, the Deputy Speaker addressed the House as follows:-

Pendant la sonnerie d'appel, le vice-président s'adresse à l'Assemblée en ces mots:-

I have received a request from the Chief Government Whip, under Standing Order 28(h), that the vote be deferred until Thursday, May 22, 2003.

J'ai reçu une requête du Whip en chef du gouvernement, conformément à l'article 28(h) du Règlement, que le vote soit différé jusqu'au jeudi 22 mai 2003.

Therefore the vote is accordingly deferred.

En conséquence, le vote est différé.

The House then adjourned at 6:00 p.m.

À 18 h, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux.

6:45 P.M.

18 H 45

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORDRE DU JOUR

Mrs. Ecker moved, seconded by Mr. Eves, That this House approves in general the Budgetary Policy of the Government.

A debate arose and,

Il s'élève un débat et,

After some time, pursuant to Standing Order 9(a), the motion for adjournment of the debate was deemed to have been made and carried.

Après quelque temps, conformément à l'article 9(a) du Règlement, la motion d'ajournement du débat est réputée avoir été proposée et adoptée.

The House then adjourned at 9:30 p.m.

À 21 h 30, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux.

le président

GARY CARR

Speaker

SESSIONAL PAPERS PRESENTED PURSUANT TO STANDING ORDER 39(A):-

DOCUMENTS PARLEMENTAIRES DÉPOSÉS CONFORMÉMENT À L'ARTICLE 39(A) DU RÈGLEMENT

Compendia:

Bill 28, An Act to resolve a labour dispute between The Ontario English Catholic Teachers' Association and the Toronto Catholic District School Board and to amend the Education Act and the Provincial Schools Negotiations Act (No. 22).