Votes and Proceedings 2000-Dec-04 | Legislative Assembly of Ontario



No. 112	N^o 112

Votes and Proceedings	Procès-verbaux
Legislative Assembly of Ontario	Assemblée législative de l'Ontario
Monday December 4, 2000 Daytime Meeting - Sessional Day 173 Evening Meeting - Sessional Day 174	Lundi 4 décembre 2000 Séance de l'après-midi - jour de session 173 Séance du soir - jour de session 174
1st Session, 37th Parliament	1^re session 37^e législature


Prayers 1:30 P.M.	Prières 13 H 30
Mr. Hodgson delivered to the Speaker a message from His Honour the Administrator signed by his own hand, and the said message was read by the Speaker and is as follows:-
Roy McMurtry
The Administrator of the Government transmits Supplementary Estimates of certain sums required for the services of the Province for the year ending 31st March 2001 and recommends them to the Legislative Assembly.	L'administrateur du gouvernement transmet les prévisions supplémentaires de certains montants nécessaires pour assurer les services de la province pour l'exercice se terminant le 31 mars 2001 et les recommande à l'Assemblée législative.
Toronto, 30th November 2000.	Toronto, le 30 novembre 2000.
(Sessional Paper No. 3, Office of the Assembly, Office of the Chief Election Officer, Ombudsman Ontario, Office of the Provincial Auditor).	(Document parlementaire n^o 3, Bureau de l'Assemblée législative, Bureau du directeur général des élections, Ombudsman Ontario, Bureau du vérificateur provincial).

Introduction of Bills	Dépôt des Projets de Loi
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time:-	Le projet de loi suivant est présenté et lu une première fois:-
Bill 154, An Act to amend the Health Insurance Act to satisfy the criteria for contribution by the Government of Canada set out in the Canada Health Act. Mr. Duncan.	Projet de loi 154, Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'assurance-santé pour satisfaire aux critères régissant les contributions du gouvernement du Canada et énoncés dans la Loi canadienne sur la santé. M. Duncan.

Motions	Motions
On motion by Mr. Sterling,	Sur la motion de M. Sterling,
Ordered, That, pursuant to Standing Order 9(c)(i), the House shall meet from 6:45 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. on Monday, December 4, and Tuesday, December 5, 2000, for the purpose of considering government business.

On motion by Mr. Sterling,	Sur la motion de M. Sterling,
Ordered, That, pursuant to Standing Order 9(c)(ii), the House shall meet from 6:45 p.m. to 12:00 midnight on Wednesday, December 6, 2000, for the purpose of considering government business.

Deferred Votes	Votes différés
The deferred vote on the motion for Third Reading of Bill 140, An Act to amend the Assessment Act, Municipal Act and other Acts with respect to property taxes was carried on the following division:-	La motion portant troisième lecture du projet de loi 140, Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'évaluation foncière, la Loi sur les municipalités et d'autres lois à l'égard de l'impôt foncier, mise aux voix sur le vote différé, est adoptée par le vote suivant:-


	AYES / POUR - 51

Arnott	Harris		O'Toole
Baird	Hodgson		Ouellette
Beaubien	Hudak		Palladini
Chudleigh	Jackson		Runciman
Clark	Johns		Sampson
Clement	Johnson		Snobelen
Coburn	Kells		Spina
Cunningham	Klees		Sterling
Dunlop	Marland		Stewart
Ecker	Martiniuk		Stockwell
Elliott	Maves		Tilson
Eves	Mazzilli		Tsubouchi
Flaherty	Molinari		Turnbull
Galt	Munro		Wettlaufer
Gilchrist	Murdoch		Witmer
Gill	Mushinski		Wood
Hardeman	Newman		Young

	NAYS / CONTRE - 35

Agostino	Crozier		Marchese
Bartolucci	Curling		Martel
Bountrogianni	Di Cocco		McGuinty
Boyer	Dombrowsky		McMeekin
Bradley	Duncan		Patten
Brown	Gerretsen		Phillips
Bryant	Hampton		Pupatello
Caplan	Hoy		Ramsay
Churley	Kennedy		Ruprecht
Colle	Kormos		Sergio
Conway	Kwinter		Smitherman
Cordiano	Levac
And the Bill was accordingly read the third time and was passed.		En conséquence, ce projet de loi est lu une troisième fois et adopté.

Petitions		Pétitions

Petition relating to the Northern Health Travel Grant program / Programme de subventions accordées aux résidents du nord de l'Ontario (Sessional Paper No. P-1) Ms. Martel.

Petition relating to Terminating any further expenditure on political advertising (Sessional Paper No. P-88) Mr. Bradley.

Petition relating to Support of Bill 64, An Act to amend the Safe Streets Act (Sessional Paper No. P-128) Mr. Crozier.

Petition relating to Re-instating photo radar (Sessional Paper No. P-146) Mr. Hoy.

Petitions relating to Vintage Automobiles (Sessional Paper No. P-152) Mr. Gill and Mr. O'Toole.

Petition relating to Parental leave (Sessional Paper No. P-178) Ms. Martel.

Petitions relating to Funding allocations to the Develomental Services Section in Sarnia-Lambton, Chatham Kent and Windsor-Essex (Sessional Paper No. P-181) Ms. Di Cocco and Mr. Hoy.



Orders of the Day	Ordre du Jour
Mr. Sampson moved,	M. Sampson propose,

That pursuant to Standing Order 46 and notwithstanding any other Standing Order or Special Order of the House relating to Bill 144, An Act to establish accountability in correctional services, to make offenders demonstrate that they are drug-free, to set rules for offenders to earn their release, to give the Board of Parole a say in earned release decisions, and to change the name of the Board of Parole, when Bill 144 is next called as a government Order, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the second reading stage of the bill without further debate or amendment, and at such time, the bill shall be ordered for third reading;

That no deferral of the second reading vote pursuant to Standing Order 28(h) shall be permitted; and

That the Order for third reading of the bill may then immediately be called. When the Order for third reading is called, the remainder of the Sessional day shall be allotted to the third reading stage of the bill, the debate time being divided equally among the three caucuses, after which time the Speaker shall interrupt the proceedings and shall put every question necessary to dispose of this stage of the bill without further debate or amendment; and

That, pursuant to Standing Order 28(h), the vote on third reading may be deferred until the next Sessional day during the Routine Proceeding "Deferred Votes"; and

That, in the case of any division relating to any proceedings on the bill, the division bell shall be limited to five minutes.


A debate arising, after some time, the motion was carried on the following division:-		Un débat s'ensuit et après quelque temps, la motion est adoptée par le vote suivant:-
	AYES / POUR - 49

Arnott	Hodgson		Ouellette
Baird	Hudak		Palladini
Beaubien	Jackson		Runciman
Chudleigh	Johns		Sampson
Clark	Johnson		Snobelen
Clement	Kells		Spina
Coburn	Klees		Sterling
Cunningham	Marland		Stewart
DeFaria	Martiniuk		Tascona
Ecker	Maves		Tilson
Elliott	Mazzilli		Tsubouchi
Flaherty	Molinari		Turnbull
Galt	Munro		Wettlaufer
Gilchrist	Murdoch		Wilson
Gill	Mushinski		Wood
Hardeman	Newman
Hastings	O'Toole

	NAYS / CONTRE - 27

Bartolucci	Curling		Levac
Bountrogianni	Di Cocco		Marchese
	NAYS / CONTRE - continued

Boyer	Dombrowsky		Martel
Bryant	Duncan		McMeekin
Caplan	Gerretsen		Pupatello
Churley	Hoy		Ramsay
Conway	Kennedy		Ruprecht
Cordiano	Kormos		Sergio
Crozier	Kwinter		Smitherman

The House then adjourned at 6:00 p.m.		À 18 h, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux.

6:45 P.M.		18 H 45
Orders of the Day		Ordre du Jour
A debate arose on the motion for Second Reading of Bill 147, An Act to revise the law related to employment standards.		Il s'élève un débat sur la motion portant deuxième lecture du projet de loi 147, Loi portant révision du droit relatif aux normes d'emploi.

With unanimous consent the House recessed for 5 minutes.

With unanimous consent the House recessed for a further 5 minutes.

With unanimous consent the House recessed for a further 10 minutes.

With unanimous consent the House recessed for a further 20 minutes.

With unanimous consent the House recessed for a further 5 minutes.


After some time, it was,		Après quelque temps,
On motion by Mr. Stockwell,		Sur la motion de M. Stockwell,
Ordered, That the debate be adjourned.		Il est ordonné que le débat soit ajourné.

With unanimous consent, the following motion was moved without notice:-		Avec le consentement unanime, la motion suivante est proposée sans préavis:-
On motion by Mr. Kormos,		Sur la motion de M. Kormos,
That all records of remarks by the members during the debate of the motion regarding Bill 144 on Monday, December 4, 2000 not be published electronically or in print, or in any other public form until such time as the police have completed any investigation of remarks during that debate, and further, that Hansard maintain and preserve all records and evidence of that debate, and that in any event, publication of the debate by Hansard shall not be done until such time as the Assembly is sitting and has sat for four calendar days and that the question be put no later than 9:20 and time be split equally among the three parties.
A debate arising, after some time, the motion was carried on the following division:-		Un débat s'ensuit et après quelque temps, la motion est adoptée par le vote suivant:-
	AYES / POUR - 32

Agostino	Di Cocco		Mazzilli
Arnott	Ecker		McMeekin
Baird	Elliott		Munro

	AYES / POUR - continued

Bisson	Gerretsen	Murdoch
Bountrogianni	Gilchrist	Spina
Christopherson	Hampton	Stewart
Churley	Hastings	Stockwell
Clark	Johnson	Wettlaufer
Coburn	Klees	Wilson
Conway	Kormos	Wood
Crozier	Levac

	NAYS / CONTRE - 0

And it was,

Ordered, That all records of remarks by the members during the debate of the motion regarding Bill 144 on Monday, December 4, 2000 not be published electronically or in print, or in any other public form until such time as the police have completed any investigation of remarks during that debate, and further, that Hansard maintain and preserve all records and evidence of that debate, and that in any event, publication of the debate by Hansard shall not be done until such time as the Assembly is sitting and has sat for four calendar days and that the question be put no later than 9:20 and time be split equally among the three parties.



The Deputy Speaker (Mr. Brown) informed the House that, in the name of Her Majesty the Queen, Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor had been pleased to assent to the following bills in her office:-	Le vice-président M. Brown avise l'Assemblée qu'au nom de Sa Majesté la Reine, Son Honneur lieutenante-gouverneure a eu le plaisir de sanctionner les projets de loi suivants dans son cabinet:-
Bill 69, An Act to amend the Labour Relations Act, 1995 in relation to the construction industry.	Projet de loi 69, Loi modifiant la Loi de 1995 sur les relations de travail en ce qui a trait à l'industrie de la construction.
Bill 140, An Act to amend the Assessment Act, Municipal Act and other Acts with respect to property taxes.	Projet de loi 140, Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'évaluation foncière, la Loi sur les municipalités et d'autres lois à l'égard de l'impôt foncier.

A debate arose on the motion for Third Reading of Bill 119, An Act to reduce red tape, to promote good government through better management of Ministries and agencies and to improve customer service by amending or repealing certain Acts and by enacting two new Acts.	Il s'élève un débat sur la motion portant troisième lecture du projet de loi 119, Loi visant à réduire les formalités administratives, à promouvoir un bon gouvernement par une meilleure gestion des ministères et organismes et à améliorer le service à la clientèle en modifiant ou abrogeant certaines lois et en édictant deux nouvelles lois.
During the debate, the Deputy Speaker (Mr. Brown) repeatedly requested the Member for Simcoe-Grey (Mr. Wilson) to come to order.	Pendant le débat, le vice-président M. Brown demande à plusieurs reprises au député de Simcoe-Grey, M. Wilson de se comporter.
The Member having refused was named by the Deputy Speaker and directed to withdraw from the service of the House for the balance of the sessional day.	Comme le député refuse d'obéir, le vice-président désigne par son nom et l'ordonne de se retirer du service de l'Assemblée pour le reste du jour de session.
After some time, Mr. Bisson moved the adjournment of the house, which motion was lost on the following division:-	Après quelque temps, M. Bisson propose l'ajournement des débats de l'Assemblée et cette motion est rejetée par le vote suivant:-
Ayes - 11 Nays - 22	Pour - 11 Contre - 22
The debate continued and, after some time, pursuant to the Order of the House of October 17, 2000, the Deputy Speaker (Mr. Brown) put the question, and declared his opinion that the Ayes had it, and a recorded vote having been demanded,	Le débat se poursuit et après quelque temps,, conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 17 octobre 2000, le vice-président M. Brown met la motion aux voix, et déclare qu'à son avis les voix favorables l'emportent et un vote par appel nominal a été demandé,
The Deputy Speaker directed that the Members be called in, for which purpose the division bells were rung.	Le vice-président donne des directives pour convoquer les députés et la sonnerie d'appel se fait entendre.
During the ringing of the bells, the Deputy Speaker addressed the House as follows:-	Pendant la sonnerie d'appel, le vice-président s'adresse à l'Assemblée en ces mots:-
I have received a request from the Chief Government Whip, under Standing Order 28(h), that the vote on the motion for Third Reading of Bill 119, An Act to reduce red tape, to promote good government through better management of Ministries and agencies and to improve customer service by amending or repealing certain Acts and by enacting two new Acts be deferred until December 5, 2000.	J'ai reçu une requête du Whip en chef du gouvernement, conformément à l'article 28(h) du Règlement, que le vote sur la motion portant troisième lecture du projet de loi 140, Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'évaluation foncière, la Loi sur les municipalités et d'autres lois à l'égard de l'impôt foncier soit différé jusqu'au 5 décembre 2000.
Therefore the vote is accordingly deferred.	En conséquence, le vote est différé.

The House then adjourned at 9:55 p.m.	À 21 h 55, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux.
le président GARY CARR Speaker

Sessional Papers Presented Pursuant to Standing Order 39(A):-	Documents Parlementaires Déposés Conformément à l'Article 39(A) du Règlement
Part-time appointments re intended Order-in-Council dated November 29, 2000 (No. 226) (Tabled December 1, 2000). Questions Answered (See Sessional Paper No. 5):- Final Answer to Question Number: 36.

Responses to Petitions	Réponses aux Pétitions

Petition relating to Restructuring of Developmental Services and services to the developmentally disabled (Sessional Paper No. P-42):

(Tabled October 26, 2000) Mrs. Munro.

Petition relating to Saving the Oak Ridges Moraine (Sessional Paper No. P-44):

(Tabled November 2, 2000) Mr. Christopherson.

Petition relating to Timber cutters. (Sessional Paper No. P-67):

(Tabled October 26, 2000) Mrs. McLeod.

Petitions relating to Farm Fare Program (Sessional Paper No. P-78):

(Tabled September 28, October 2, 4, 10, 16, 23, 24, November 2, 2000) Mr. Christopherson.

Petition relating to Eradicating hunger of poor children (Sessional Paper No. P-132):

(Tabled June 21, 2000) Mr. Christopherson.

Petition relating to Building a new community hospital (Sessional Paper No. P-149):

(Tabled October 5, 2000) Ms. Di Cocco.

Petition relating to Repealing Bill 160 and creating an accessible public consultative process (Sessional Paper No. P-154):

(Tabled October 16, 2000) Mr. Gravelle.

Petition relating to Partisan highway signs(Sessional Paper No. P-156):

(Tabled October 18, November 2, 2000) Mr. Gerretsen.

Petition relating to Cable television in cell/rooms (Sessional Paper No. P-157):

(Tabled October 18, 2000) Mr. Dunlop.

Petition relating to Repealing the $2 prescription user fee for Seniors (Sessional Paper No. P-165):

(Tabled October 26, 2000) Mr. Ruprecht.