Legislative Assembly of Ontario

No. 262 N^o 262

Votes and Proceedings

Procès-verbaux

Legislative Assembly of Ontario

Assemblée législative de l'Ontario

1st Session, 36th Parliament

1re session, 36e législature

Tuesday, December 16, 1997

Mardi 16 décembre 1997

PRAYERS 1:30 P.M.

PRIÈRES 13 H 30

REPORTS BY COMMITTEES

RAPPORTS DES COMITÉS

Mr Guzzo from the Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs presented the Committee's Report which was read as follows and adopted:-	M. Guzzo du Comité permanent des finances et des affaires économiques présente le rapport du comité qui est lu comme suit et adopté:-
Your Committee begs to report the following Bill without amendment:-	Votre comité propose qu'il soit permis de faire rapport sur le projet de loi suivant sans amendement:-

Bill 164, An Act to implement job creation measures and other measures contained in the 1997 Budget and to make other amendments to statutes administered by the Ministry of Finance or relating to taxation matters. Pursuant to the Order of the House of December 15, 1997, the Bill is Ordered for Third Reading.

Projet de loi 164, Loi visant à mettre en oeuvre des mesures de création d'emplois et d'autres mesures mentionnées dans le budget de 1997 et à apporter d'autres modifications à des lois dont l'application relève du ministère des Finances ou qui traitent de questions fiscales. Conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 15 décembre 1997, le projet de loi est ordonné pour la troisième lecture.

INTRODUCTION OF BILLS

DÉPÔT DES PROJETS DE LOI

The following Bill was introduced and read the first time:-	Le projet de loi suivant est présenté et lu une première fois:-
Bill 177, An Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Mr J. Carroll.	Projet de loi 177, Loi modifiant la Loi sur la protection de l'environnement. M. J. Carroll.

PETITIONS

PÉTITIONS

Petition relating to Stopping the Funding of Abortions (Sessional Paper No. P-93) (Tabled December 16, 1997) Mrs H. Johns.

Petition relating to Demanding public hearings on the Review of the Occupational Health and Safety Act discussion paper (Sessional Paper No. P-249) (Tabled December 16, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

Petition relating to Child care tax credits (Sessional Paper No. P-263) (Tabled December 16, 1997) Mr F. Klees.

Petition relating to Beaches casino site (Sessional Paper No. P-274) (Tabled December 16, 1997)

Ms F. Lankin.

Petition relating to Support for all current forms of black bear hunting (Sessional Paper No. P-275) (Tabled December 16, 1997) Mr B. Crozier.

Petition relating to Request not to move the Fort Frances Ambulance Dispatch to Kenora (Sessional Paper No. P-300) (Tabled December 16, 1997) Mr H. Hampton.

Petitions relating to Bill 160, Education Quality Improvement Act, 1997 (Sessional Paper No. P-321) (Tabled December 16, 1997) Mr A. Curling and Mr J.-M. Lalonde.

Petition relating to Workers Clinics and Workers Health and Safety Centre (Sessional Paper No. P-326) (Tabled December 16, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

Petition relating to the Public Accountancy Act (Sessional Paper No. P-336) (Tabled December 16, 1997) Mr R. Patten.

Petition relating to Red Cross Homemakers (Sessional Paper No. P-339) (Tabled December 16, 1997) Mr J. Tascona.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORDRE DU JOUR

A debate arose on the motion for Third Reading of Bill 164, An Act to implement job creation measures and other measures contained in the 1997 Budget and to make other amendments to statutes administered by the Ministry of Finance or relating to taxation matters.

Il s'élève un débat sur la motion portant troisième lecture du projet de loi 164, Loi visant à mettre en oeuvre des mesures de création d'emplois et d'autres mesures mentionnées dans le budget de 1997 et à apporter d'autres modifications à des lois dont l'application relève du ministère des Finances ou qui traitent de questions fiscales.

At 5:45 p.m., pursuant to the Order of the House of December 15, 1997 the Speaker interrupted the proceedings and put the question, which motion was carried on the following division:-

À 17 h 45, conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 15 décembre 1997, le Président interrompt les délibérations et met la question aux voix et ladite motion est adoptée par le vote suivant:-

Arnott Guzzo O'Toole

Baird Hardeman Ouellette

Barrett Harnick Palladini

Bassett Hastings Preston

Beaubien Hudak Rollins

Boushy Johns Ross

Brown Johnson Runciman

(Scarborough West) (Brantford) Sampson

Carr Johnson Saunderson

Carroll (Don Mills) Smith

Chudleigh Johnson Snobelen

Clement (Perth) Spina

Cunningham Jordan Sterling

Danford Kells Stewart

DeFaria Klees Tascona

Doyle Leach Tsubouchi

Elliott Leadston Turnbull

Eves Martiniuk Vankoughnet

Fisher Maves Villeneuve

Flaherty McLean Wettlaufer

Ford Munro Wilson

Galt Murdoch Wood

Gilchrist Mushinski (London South)

Grimmett Newman

Bradley Duncan McLeod

Brown Gerretsen Morin

(Algoma-Manitoulin) Grandmaître Patten

Caplan Gravelle Phillips

Christopherson Hoy Pouliot

Churley Kormos Pupatello

Cleary Lalonde Ramsay

Conway Lessard Silipo

Crozier Martel Wildman

Cullen Martin

And the Bill was accordingly read the third time and was passed.

En conséquence, ce projet de loi est lu une troisième fois et adopté.

The House then adjourned at 6:00 p.m.

À 18 h, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux.

6:30 P.M.

18 H 30

Mr Sterling moved,

M. Sterling propose,

That, pursuant to Standing Order 46 and notwithstanding any other Standing Order in relation to Bill 64, An Act to simplify government processes and to improve efficiency in the Ministry of Consumer and Commercial Relations; Bill 65, An Act to simplify government processes and to improve efficiency in the Ministry of Economic, Trade and Tourism; Bill 66, An Act to simplify government processes and to improve efficiency in the Ministry of Environment and Energy; Bill 68, An Act to simplify government processes and to improve efficiency in the Ministry of Northern Development and Mines; and Bill 69, An Act to simplify government processes and to improve efficiency in the Ministry of the Solicitor General and the Ministry of Correctional Services, there shall be two hours allotted to consideration of the above-noted bills together at the third reading stage after which time the Speaker shall interrupt the proceedings and shall put all questions necessary to dispose of the order for third reading of the 5 bills without further debate or amendment.

That, the vote on third reading of the bills may, at the request of any chief Whip of a recognized Party in the House, be deferred until the next Sessional day during the Routine Proceeding, "Deferred Votes;"

And that, in the case of any division, the division bell shall be limited to 5 minutes.

On a point of order raised by the member for St. Catharines (Mr Bradley), the Speaker recessed the House for 15 minutes.

On his return, the Speaker delivered the following ruling:-

I thank all members for their submissions on this matter.

The motion before us seeks to allocate time on 5 government bills. The question before me is whether more than one bill may be the subject of one motion for time allocation.

I have reviewed the precedents of this House and would like to cite two of them.

On May 28, 1992 this House considered and passed a motion moved by the N.D.P. government, to allocate time on four bills from three different Ministries. Bill 74, the Advocacy Act standing in the name of the Minister of Citizenship; Bill 108, Substitute Decisions and Bill 110, standing in the name of the Attorney General; and Bill 109, Consent to Treatment standing in the name of the Minister of Health. Members have argued that this motion cannot be considered a precedent on the grounds that there was a general agreement to deal with all three bills together, that, in the words of the member for Carleton the opposition of the day was "in concert with this motion". This is true. However, this did not impact on the orderliness of the motion at the time. Unanimous consent was required only to move it without notice. Had the motion complied with the notice provisions, unanimous consent would not have been required.

Members have also referred to an earlier precedent on this subject. On January 23, 1989 the Liberal Government sought to allocate time on two Bills. Bill 113 which amended the Retail Business Holidays Act and Bill 114 which amended the Employment Standards Act. On that occasion, Speaker Edighoffer ruled the motion in order. In the course of that ruling, Speaker Edighoffer made reference to the rules of the House of Commons at Westminster, as follows: "Although the Standing Orders speak of 'the allocation of time to any proceedings on a bill', the rule has not been interpreted to prevent a time allocation order from allocating time in one motion to more than one bill."

Finally, in Erskine May, at page 409 it states that "time allocation is applied in each case to a particular bill (or several bills jointly)".

Having considered the arguments of the Honourable members, the precedents and practices of this House and relevant authorities, I am completely persuaded that the motion before us is completely in order.

A debate then arose and, after some time, the motion was carried on the following division:-

Ensuite, il s'élève un débat et après quelque temps, la motion est adoptée par le vote suivant:-

Baird Hastings O'Toole

Barrett Hudak Preston

Beaubien Johns Rollins

Boushy Johnson Saunderson

Brown (Brantford) Shea

(Scarborough West) Johnson Sheehan

Chudleigh (Don Mills) Spina

Clement Johnson Sterling

DeFaria (Perth) Stewart

Doyle Jordan Tascona

Elliott Kells Turnbull

Fisher Klees Vankoughnet

Ford Leadston Villeneuve

Fox Martiniuk Wettlaufer

Galt Maves Wilson

Gilchrist McLean Wood

Grimmett Murdoch (London South)

Guzzo Mushinski Young

Hardeman Newman

Bartolucci Christopherson Martin

Bisson Churley Patten

Bradley Conway Silipo

Brown Crozier Wildman

(Algoma-Manitoulin) Gerretsen

Caplan Lalonde

The House then adjourned at 9:30 p.m.

À 21 h 30, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux.