L176D - Thu 3 Apr 1997 / Jeu 2 avr 1997
CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO
Report continued from volume C.
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CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO
Continuing consideration of Bill 103, An Act to replace the seven existing municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto by incorporating a new municipality to be known as the City of Toronto / Projet de loi 103, Loi visant à remplacer les sept administrations municipales existantes de la communauté urbaine de Toronto en constituant une nouvelle municipalité appelée la cité de Toronto.
The Second Deputy Chair (Mr Bert Johnson): This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardagh Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardagh Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardell Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardell Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arden Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arden Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arden Thorpe Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arden Thorpe Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall stand deferred.
This also is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardgowan Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardgowan Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardmore Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardmore Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardrossan Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardrossan Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.
0810
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardua Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardua Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardtrea Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied'" --
Mrs Marion Boyd (London Centre): Please repeat and spell the name of the street in this motion.
The Second Deputy Chair: No. I will pronounce them as best I can. I don't think --
Mrs Boyd: You are speaking so fast that we cannot hear it. I request that you say it slowly and spell it if we don't understand.
The Second Deputy Chair: It's my interest to get this done as soon as possible. There is one problem; that is, members are walking between you and me, which is improper, unparliamentary, and shouldn't be tolerated. But I am doing my best to pronounce them. Do you have a copy of this in front of you?
Mrs Boyd: I do not have this one, no.
The Second Deputy Chair: It's Ardtrea.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardtrea Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardwick Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardwick Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardwold Gate living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardwold Gate living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ares Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ares Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Argate Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Argate Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Argentia Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Argentia Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Argo Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Argo Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
0820
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Argonaut Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Argonaut Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Argonne Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Argonne Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Argyle Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Argyle Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Argyle Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Argyle Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Hon Norman W. Sterling (Minister of Environment and Energy): On a point of order, Mr Chair: They didn't have the required five members on that particular vote. The member for Sudbury East is not sitting in her proper seat and therefore cannot be counted.
The Second Deputy Chair: I will remind members that they only have the privilege of being counted in the vote if they are in their own seat.
Ms Shelley Martel (Sudbury East): Point of order, Mr Chair: Then would then contradict a ruling in a debate earlier on this same question.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'll take this under consideration.
No, it does not contradict the other one. The other one was on a voice vote where there were many people giving that. It was impossible for the Chair to determine whether these people were in their own or other seats. So that was ruled. If the members wish for a division, then they must stand in their own place.
Ms Martel: Point of order, Mr Chair: I find your decision a bit difficult to understand.
The Second Deputy Chair: It's not a point of order. You are not in your own seat.
Hon Mr Sterling: If you're not in your own seat, you can't speak.
Ms Martel: Point of order, Mr Chair: I find it difficult to deal with your ruling in this sense. Either there is a rule that members can vote when they're in their own seat or there is not. The issue is not that there were so many people in different seats that the Chair couldn't tell who was voting from their seat or not.
The question is, either there is a rule in this House that you can vote whether or not you are in your seat or there is not. It should have nothing to do with how many members were or were not sitting in their seats or whether or not the Chair could tell who was sitting where. That's completely contrary.
The Second Deputy Chair: I want to be very clear about this. When you're saying "aye" and "nay," this Chair is not about to determine every "aye" and "nay," but if you're wishing to indicate for a division, then clearly you must stand in your own place. That is my ruling.
Interjection.
Hon Mr Sterling: Mr Chair, on a point of order: In that case, there were not five members in their seats and therefore there should not be a vote --
Mrs Boyd: So what if 11,000 were deferred?
Hon Mr Sterling: That's right. Okay, that's fine.
The Second Deputy Chair: Yes. I want to address the minister. You are absolutely right. I made a mistake. I recognized the five members, even though there were only four of them in their own seats. It's my fault and I'm sorry.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arjay Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arjay Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
0830
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arkley Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arkley Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.'"
Mr Frank Miclash (Kenora): Point of order, Mr Chair: I do not believe we have a quorum in the House.
The Second Deputy Chair: Would you like the table to check?
Mr Miclash: I would, otherwise I would not have called a quorum.
Clerk Assistant (Ms Deborah Deller): A quorum is not present, Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair ordered the bells rung.
Clerk Assistant: A quorum is now present, Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: "`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arkona Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arkona Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arkwright Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arkwright Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arlene Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arlene Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arleta Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arleta Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arlington Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arlington Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arlstan Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arlstan Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Armada Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Armada Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Armadale Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Armadale Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Armel Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Armel Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Armitage Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Armitage Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Armour Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Armour Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee this NDP motion carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Armstrong Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Armstrong Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arnall Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arnall Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arncliffe Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arncliffe Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I've just returned from our caucus office. Our staff are just getting in and they find that on their voice mail and on their live phones they are getting many calls from the public requesting that we ask the Chair to read more clearly and more slowly. They cannot understand what is happening in the House.
The Second Deputy Chair: I recognize that as a point. I would like to point out that there is a lot of repetition, and maybe they could put this up as a visual on the screen and then they could follow through it the way I'm reading.
Mrs Boyd: Further to my point of order, my understanding is that props are not within the rules of this House, so I don't think that would necessarily be appropriate. You may make that suggestion, but in the meantime, since the whole purpose of this exercise is so that the public can be part of the proceedings -- the reason we have cameras in this place, the reason we broadcast is so that the public can be part of the legislative process, and the public is saying to you very clearly, you are reading too fast, you are reading in an unclear way, and they cannot follow the proceedings. You are, in other words, being contemptuous of the public's right to understand what the legislative process is all about.
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Mr Gerry Phillips (Scarborough-Agincourt): On a point of order --
The Second Deputy Chair: Is that on the same point of order?
Mr Phillips: Yes, it is, Mr Speaker. Just to be helpful to you, we are getting phone calls as well, not on exactly the same point. There are people phoning, saying that --
The Second Deputy Chair: No, no.
Mr Phillips: But it is on the same point of order, which is the phone calls --
The Second Deputy Chair: No, no. Either it is on the same point or it is not.
Mr Phillips: It is on the same point, the phone calls regarding the job you're doing, if I might speak on that. What they are saying is they have copies of a Mike Harris report before the election saying that he would keep the city of Scarborough, and now they find that you are reading amendments that indicate that we will not be keeping the city of Scarborough.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm sorry. That is not on the same point. I would like to address --
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order. I am addressing the point of order of the member for London Centre.
Mr Peter Kormos (Welland-Thorold): On a point of order --
The Second Deputy Chair: Are you addressing the same point of order?
Mr Kormos: Chair, please, this is something that I've been trying to raise all morning since 6 o'clock. We've received earlier phone calls into our caucus office, into my office. I've gone upstairs into the legislative broadcast room. I've expressed concern about the translation services. I've expressed concern about Hansard and their ability to accurately record this. Your speech sounds slurred and incoherent. The member for Mississauga South, Margaret Marland, makes inferences or draws inferences about that that I don't mean to imply. All I'm saying is that it's very difficult to understand.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order. Please take your seat. I'd like to address that. I think that is a different point of order. I am going to address it first. I don't consider this within the purview of the member. I have had to extend my voice overly loud to overcome some of the attention that you are not giving this House, so I will not accept that criticism. That is that point of order.
To the member for London Centre: I think that my voice is being challenged, and I don't either apologize or take any satisfaction from that. I would like to remind the member for London Centre that I am doing about 44 of these an hour, and I have been doing so since this morning at 7:10. I also did from 2 till 3:10 and two hours later last evening. So it may be a little challenging for those listening. It is also challenging for this Chair to do the reading. I will ask for your indulgence to accommodate the disability that I will be facing in the days and weeks to come.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arnhem Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arnhem Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arnold Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arnold Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arnold Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arnold Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
The member for Nickel Belt on a point of order.
Mr Floyd Laughren (Nickel Belt): Thank you, Mr Chair. I was one of the fortunate MPPs who went and had a sleep last night, and I am just starting my shift now, so I'm bright-eyed and bushy-tailed as the day starts, but I must say that when I turned on my TV this morning to see what the proceeding were and how things were going, I had great difficulty understanding what was going on. I appreciate the fact that you may be fatigued yourself, but I know it would help a lot if you were to read and enunciate a little more slowly and clearly so that people could really understand and make sure their street was included in this consultation process.
The Second Deputy Chair: I can't make all the same observations that you've given about yourself, but this is quite a repetitious thing. I've ruled on it before. I would read it once very slowly and carefully if you could put ditto marks under it. You can't, so I will proceed the way that I deem best.
Mr John Gerretsen (Kingston and The Islands): On the same point of order, Mr Chair --
The Second Deputy Chair: I've ruled on that one and I'll rule on this one.
Mr Gerretsen: I observed the exchange that took place about five or 10 minutes ago and I must admit that I was in my office for about an hour or so, and there were a number of phone calls -- I do have a special office here in this building -- that came in from people who wanted to know exactly what was going on, because they could not understand your enunciation of the different motions that you're reading into the record.
Let me be the first to congratulate both you and the other two deputy Chairs for the excellent job that all of you have done throughout the night in reading these motions into the record, because I know it takes an awful lot of courage and an awful lot of intestinal fortitude to actually get through the process. But we would really appreciate it, and the people who are observing this on television would appreciate it as well, if you could just slow it down. If, let's say, you do one of them in one minute and 40 seconds rather than one minute and 20 seconds, I think the people will get a better understanding about what this process is all about.
Of course, the process is really all about trying to get the best form of government for Metropolitan Toronto, which we truly believe is the six existing governments which we have here currently.
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The Second Deputy Chair: You're kind of getting off the point of order, but yes, and I did rule on that before. It is not my duty to explain to everybody what is going on. My duty is to chair --
Mr Gerretsen: They don't want you to explain. They just want you to talk slower.
The Second Deputy Chair: No. I would like you to take your seat and listen, because I am ruling on your point of order. It is not my duty to explain to either you or the public what is going on, because you are supposed to know, and the public are here by a courtesy, apparently, by someone else. So I'm ruling that I've ruled on that point of order before. I don't have the ability to explain --
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat.
I recognize the member for Lake Nipigon. Why are you on your feet, please?
Mr Gilles Pouliot (Lake Nipigon): Pardon me?
The Second Deputy Chair: Why are you on your feet?
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: No, no. Let us be very clear.
Mr Pouliot: On a point of privilege, and also to wish you best wishes in your future endeavour.
My point of personal privilege concerns your health, and I speak with all the sincerity at my command. There I was a few minutes ago -- I'll be brief, Mr Chair -- in the privacy of the small cubicle that I occupy on St Joseph Street, and I was trying to follow, because it's my job to do so, all the amendments in their right order, and I became concerned about your health. I tried to listen intently, hanging on to every word you were saying. I know some of the streets are difficult to name, but they are so important that at one time I said, "There goes the neighbourhood." I don't have one of those VCR machines, so for a whole hour I became more and more concerned about your health, and it seemed to me that it's taking its toll.
So if you could possibly slow down to benefit first yourself, the members of the assembly and the general public who are hanging on every word --
The Second Deputy Chair: I think I can rule on this point of --
Mr Bud Wildman (Algoma): On the same point --
The Second Deputy Chair: No, I will rule on this one. I want to be very clear, and I can help you out in ruling on this point of privilege. It is not a point of privilege. I will do the best for my health, and I hope that all others do the same.
The member for Algoma on a point of privilege.
Mr Wildman: I just wanted to say that after being here with you since 7, there's a certain rhythm that you've demonstrated and I've gotten with it and I really am into it and I'm really enjoying it.
The Second Deputy Chair: I want to correct you. It was since 7:10 that I've been here, and that is not a point of privilege.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arnold Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arnold Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arnott Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arnott Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arnprior Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arnprior Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arran Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arran Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arrow Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arrow Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arrowdale Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arrowdale Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
The First Deputy Chair (Ms Marilyn Churley): Good morning, everybody. It's a real pleasure to be back.
We'll start with an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arrowhead Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arrowhead Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arrowsmith Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arrowsmith Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arrowstook Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arrowstook Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Artech Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Artech Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote deferred.
Mr Tony Silipo (Dovercourt): On a point of order, Madam Chair: I believe the next amendment deals with the residents of Artesian Industrial Parkway. I'd like to withdraw that amendment.
The First Deputy Chair: Okay. Withdrawn.
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Madam Chair: My office just received a phone call from a watcher thanking you for your articulate and coherent delivery. Finally, this viewer has indicated he can understand what is happening here, and he has asked me to express his gratitude and that of, I'm sure, many others. Thank you, Chair.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4) --
Interjections.
The First Deputy Chair: Order, please. Nobody will be able to hear me now. Will people come to order, please. I'm sure everybody wishes to.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arthur Griffith Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arthur Griffith Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arthur Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arthur Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
Could I ask members to please be at your seats when you stand for division? Thank you.
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I received a message from Anna Ciletti Martin of Sault Ste Marie, who again expresses her gratitude to you for a clear and coherent delivery, and for whom today is also her birthday. So we wish her a happy birthday.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you. NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Artillery Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Artillery Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Artinger Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Artinger Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Artisan Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Artisan Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Artreeva Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Artreeva Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote deferred.
Mr Silipo: On a point of order, Madam Chair.
The First Deputy Chair: Point of order, member for Dovercourt.
Mr Silipo: Chair, I would just like to take a brief moment to welcome the Premier who has joined us for the sitting. I hope he finds this useful.
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The First Deputy Chair: NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arundel Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arundel Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ascolda Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ascolda Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ascot Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ascot Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing'" --
Interjections.
The First Deputy Chair: Could I have order, please. "`If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote deferred.
Mr Silipo: On a point of order, Chair: It perhaps might be useful if you were to remind the members of the government that if they don't want an amendment to pass, they actually have to object to it.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you. I would say to both sides of the House that I've been --
Mr Rosario Marchese (Fort York): Wake up. Come on, do your job.
The First Deputy Chair: Order, please. I would like to respond to that point of order by the member for Dovercourt. I would like to say it's a good point of order. I'd like to say to both sides of the House that you need to be vigilant and be ready to respond, because I have been a little lenient, I must confess, with both sides of the House. To be fair, we've been up all night. I know that people are tired, but it is important that everybody pay attention and be vigilant and be on cue when I call for the vote. Thank you.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ash Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ash Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashall Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashall Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashbourne Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashbourne Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mr Silipo: On a point of order, Chair: I believe the next amendment deals with the residents of Ashbridges Bay Park Road. I'd like to withdraw that amendment.
The First Deputy Chair: Withdrawn, thank you.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashbridges Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashbridges Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashburnham Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashburnham Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the House that this motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashbury Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashbury Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashby Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashby Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashcott Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashcott Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashdale Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashdale Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashdean Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashdean Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4) --
Mr Kormos: A point of order, Chair: Here it is, it's five minutes to 10 on Thursday morning. This House has been sitting for almost 24 hours now around the clock and will continue to sit for 24 hours around the clock. Members are rumpled, some are unshaven, tempers are flaring. In fact, this place has turned into some --
Interjections.
Mr Kormos: People have not slept, and again, sometimes the place, I understand, turns into theatre, but please, with your assistance, Chair, the public indeed are invited and entitled to attend here right now at Queen's Park to witness this live, are they not?
The First Deputy Chair: What's your point of order.
Mr Kormos: Are they not invited to come here to participate in this?
The First Deputy Chair: Is that your point of order?
Mr Kormos: I want to be certain that the public are invited to sit in these galleries and witness --
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you very much.
Interjections.
The First Deputy Chair: Order, please.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashfield Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashfield Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Should the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashford Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashford Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Should the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashgrove Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashgrove Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
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This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashland Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashland Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashley Park Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashley Park Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashmill Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashmill Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashmore Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashmore Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashmount Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashmount Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashridge Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashridge Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashstead Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashstead Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashton Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashton Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashtonbee Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashtonbee Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashwarren Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashwarren Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashwick Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashwick Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashwood Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashwood Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it.
Mr Richard Patten (Ottawa Centre): Could you defer that please, Madam Chair.
The First Deputy Chair: The vote will be deferred. Yes, thank you.
Mr Gilles Bisson (Cochrane South): On a point of order, Madam Chair: I listened intently earlier, about a half hour ago, you made the point, which I thought was quite right on your behalf as the Deputy Chair of the House, that when we're in a voice vote situation such as we are with the committee of the whole now that members have to either say they accept or they don't accept at the very beginning the amendment. I've heard now three or four votes go by. I've heard on this side of the House the people saying "aye" in favour of the motions. I haven't heard nays.
Mr Marchese: Are they not doing their job again?
Mr Bisson: Madam Speaker, just to finish the point, if the government is in agreement and then they don't say something --
Interjections.
The First Deputy Chair: Order, please. I can't hear.
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Mr Bisson: The point I'm making, Madam Chair, just very quickly, is that if the government is not going to vote at the very beginning and it's only the opposition voting in favour, it seems to me we would have won the amendments. If the government doesn't want us to win the amendments, they should be voting against them at the very beginning.
The First Deputy Chair: Okay, thank you. I would say to the member that I'm listening carefully. Because I'm sitting in the centre, I am listening carefully to both sides of the House and I did hear, very low, but I did hear a no from over there. Frankly, if I don't hear any sound whatsoever from either side in a voice vote, then that side will have lost, but I am listening carefully. I do urge the members, even though some have been up all night, to try to pay attention and --
Hon Michael D. Harris (Premier): You're a good Chair.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you, Premier. Thank you for your point of order.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ashworth Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ashworth Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aspen Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aspen Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aspendale Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aspendale Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aspenwood Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aspenwood Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Asquith Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Asquith Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Assiniboine Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Assiniboine Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
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This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Astley Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Astley Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Astor Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Astor Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Astoria Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Astoria Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Astral Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Astral Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Athabaska Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Athabaska Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
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This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Athenia Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Athenia Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Atherton Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Atherton Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Athletic Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Athletic Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Athlone Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Athlone Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended --
Hon Al Leach (Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing): Dispense.
The First Deputy Chair: Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Athlone Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Athlone Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Athol Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Athol Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Hon Mr Leach: Point of order, Madam Chair: I'm sure that the House would like to know that we're honoured today to have the mayor of Kingston with us in the members' gallery and I'm sure that we'd just like to recognize his attendance.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you for letting us know.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Atkins Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Atkins Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it.
Mr Patten: Please defer the vote.
The First Deputy Chair: The vote will be deferred. What would I do without you?
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"Public consultation
"(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Atkinson Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Atkinson Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Atkinson Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Atkinson Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Atlantic Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Atlantic Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"Public consultation
"(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Atlas Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Atlas Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Atlee Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Atlee Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Atomic Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Atomic Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Atrium Lane living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Atrium Lane living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Attercliff Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Attercliff Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Attila Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Attila Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Atwell Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Atwell Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Atwood Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Atwood Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mr Patten: On a point of order, Chair: I'd like to inform the House that we have some special guests from the Yorkdale Secondary School from North York with us this morning and I'd like to welcome them on behalf of the House.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you. That is not a point of order, but I too, on behalf of all the House, would like to welcome the students here today.
Mr Kormos: And they can come back at 11 this evening or 2 this morning. The House will still be sitting.
The First Deputy Chair: Member for Welland-Thorold.
The Chair (Mr Gilles E. Morin): We're now dealing with an NDP motion.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Auburn Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Auburn Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Another NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Auburndale Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Auburndale Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Audley Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Audley Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Audley Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Audley Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Mr Jim Brown (Scarborough West): On a point of privilege, Chair: I'd like to point out to the House that as of 11 am this morning we spent well in excess of $200,000 on this filibuster, $200,000 that could have been put into health care or extra policing.
Interjections.
The Chair: Order. Just a minute. I'd like to remind the member that the --
Hon Robert W. Runciman (Solicitor General and Minister of Correctional Services): You don't mind flushing taxpayers' money down the toilet. Typical Liberal.
The Chair: Order.
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Interjections.
Hon Mr Runciman: Contempt for taxpayers, that's what this is all about.
The Chair: Solicitor General. I only wish that the House would have been as lively early this morning.
Interjections.
The Chair: The member for Ottawa-Rideau, the member for Etobicoke-Humber, the member for London Centre.
Now, I'll deal with you, sir. It was not a point of privilege; it was not a point of order.
Mr Tony Martin (Sault Ste Marie): I just want to assure the House that everybody on this side is very aware of the expense that's been incurred here in this place, and I feel very strongly that democracy is worth that price. If this government is really sincerely concerned about the cost of what's going on here, it will, as John Sewell outside said so eloquently, withdraw Bill 103.
The Chair: It's not a point of privilege; it's not a point of order. I will now continue with a new motion.
Interjections.
The Chair: Order. I only wish the House would have been as lively at 3 o'clock this morning. Honestly, this is great, but let's keep a bit of order.
I will now read an interesting motion from the NDP: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Audrelane Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Audrelane Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Audrey Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Audrey Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Audubon Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Audubon Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Augusta Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Augusta Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Augusta Square living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Augusta Square living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aukland Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aukland Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Auld Croft Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
Interjection.
The Chair: The member for Lake Nipigon.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Auld Croft Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Mr Pouliot: Point of order.
The Chair: Let me finish and I'll take your point of order.
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
I will now listen to your point of order.
Mr Pouliot: I thank you and I salute you. I need your help, as the representative of the riding of Lake Nipigon. I listened intently to every word and you did mention, while reading the resolution, sir, with high respect, Lake Nipigon. Am I to take it that Lake Nipigon is to be amalgamated, becoming part of Toronto? I need your guidance and leadership, Mr Chair.
The Chair: Thank you for seeking advice and the advice is, no. I called "Lake Nipigon" because you were out of order.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aura Lea Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aura Lea Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
Did somebody have a point of order?
Interjection: No.
The Chair: There should be no conversation between the floor and the gallery, please.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aurora Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aurora Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
1140
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Austin Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Austin Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Austin Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Austin Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Austin Terrace living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Austin Terrace living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Austrey Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Austrey Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Autumn Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Autumn Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
1150
A new motion from the NDP:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Autumn Glen Circle living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Autumn Glen Circle living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Mr Laughren: On a point of order, Mr Chair: In the interest of time, we would like to withdraw the next motion that's in sequence before you.
The Chair: Could you tell me which one that is?
Mr Laughren: Yes. Would you like me to read it?
I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"Public consultation --
The Chair: Dispense. You can dispense.
Mr Laughren: It's Avenue University.
The Chair: So be it. Does everybody agree? Agreed.
We now have a new motion from the NDP:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ava Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ava Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ava Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ava Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avalon Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avalon Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avalon Blvd living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avalon Blvd living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
1200
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avalon Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avalon Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
A new NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aveline Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aveline Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avenal Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avenal Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avening Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avening Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avenue Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avenue Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
1210
We'll now deal with a new NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Averdon Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Averdon Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Averill Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Averill Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avery Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avery Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aviemore Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aviemore Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avion Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avion Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." That's the spirit. In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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Mr Marchese: Mr Chair, point of order.
The Chair: I'll wait until all members sit down, then I'll listen to your point of order.
Mr Marchese: There is no quorum in the House and I think --
The Chair: Would you please check if there is a quorum.
Clerk at the Table (Mr Todd Decker): A quorum is not present, Chair.
The Chair ordered the bells rung.
Acting Clerk Assistant: A quorum is now present, Chair.
The Chair: NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avis Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avis Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avoca Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avoca Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
A new motion, an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avon Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avon Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avon Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avon Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avon Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avon Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avon Park Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avon Park Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avondale Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avondale Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avondale Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avondale Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avonhill Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avonhill Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:1
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avonhurst Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avonhurst Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avonlea Blvd living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avonlea Blvd living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avonmore Square living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avonmore Square living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Avonwick Gate living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Avonwick Gate living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Awde Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Awde Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Axsmith Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Axsmith Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Mr Marchese: Mr Chair, I'd like to withdraw the next motion that is about to be read.
The Chair: Which one is that?
Mr Marchese: The one that mentions the people of Aylen Lake.
The Chair: Is it agreed? It is withdrawn. It doesn't have to be agreed; it is withdrawn.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aylesbury Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aylesbury Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aylesford Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aylesford Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay."
Did I hear a "nay"?
Interjections: Nay.
The Chair: In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred. Thank you.
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A new motion, NDP motion: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aylesworth Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aylesworth Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aymarn Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aymarn Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ayr Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ayr Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ayre Point Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ayre Point Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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Mr Patten: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: As has been the custom, I would like to point out to the Legislature today that we have a guest in the Speaker's gallery, Margaret Campbell, former member of the Legislature.
The Second Deputy Chair: Would members of the Legislature show their appreciation to Miss Campbell.
Tell me why you're up, so that --
Mr Tony Ruprecht (Parkdale): Since we're in the introductory phase --
The Second Deputy Chair: No, no.
Mr Ruprecht: -- we do have another person who's very important to the --
The Second Deputy Chair: Pardon me. Will you please take your seat. What I want is, when somebody stands up, you're either coming in and out of the Legislature or you're up for two reasons: One is a point of order; the other is a point of privilege. Just if you'd tell me why you're up -- I don't want to be difficult, that's --
Mr Ruprecht: I appreciate that. It's a point of order and I know you're not being difficult.
The Second Deputy Chair: Thank you. No.
Mr Ruprecht: You're trying to be very cooperative.
The Second Deputy Chair: I recognize the member for Parkdale on a point of order.
Mr Ruprecht: I wanted to point out to the House we do have another very important person here from the riding of Parkdale, Mrs Nellie Pekovic. We certainly want to welcome her because these proceedings are very important and consequently we would like to ensure that all these people are welcomed to the sitting.
The Second Deputy Chair: Maybe we'll just say hello then and that would be great. Thank you.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Azalea Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Azalea Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aziel Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aziel Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Azrock Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Azrock Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given."
Order, please. If you'd just keep it down a little bit so I can hear a little bit better.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request that this committee pass this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Babcock Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Babcock Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Babington Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Babington Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
Mr Marchese: Chair, I would like to withdraw the motion that we're about to read into the record.
The Second Deputy Chair: Do you want to explain why you're withdrawing it?
Mr Marchese: Absolutely. This particular motion doesn't have a name of a street and therefore I felt it was appropriate to withdraw it.
The Second Deputy Chair: I think that's legitimate.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baby Point Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baby Point Crescent living in the urban area."
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order, order. I have to enunciate, pronunciate and get this information out.
Mr Marchese: We don't want to discourage you, Mr Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order. I can't have people talking at full voice over mine. I will not tolerate it.
Mrs Lyn McLeod (Fort William): You're absolutely right.
The Second Deputy Chair: Bring yourself to order, please.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
1320
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baby Point Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baby Point Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baby Point Terrace living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baby Point Terrace living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bachelor Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bachelor Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baden Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baden Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Badger Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Badger Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Badgerow Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Badgerow Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baffin Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baffin Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bagot Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bagot Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
1330
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bagwell Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bagwell Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bailey Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied."
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order, please. There are too many conversations going on, too close that I cannot hear properly. I'd ask you to whisper a little bit, especially those really close to me.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bailey Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bain Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bain Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Mr Pouliot: On a point of order, Mr Chair: The same person who expressed some concern about the state of your health, and you've been under a state of seige by virtue of what the government is intending to do, Joan Niemi, a proud resident in the riding of Lake Nipigon, the township of Schreiber, is pleading with the government vis-à-vis amalgamation.
She's been glued to her television set. She'd concerned about health because you've been going around the clock like a soldier at your post and she's equally concerned that these kinds of downloading and ramifications will take on extraordinary proportions. She's frightened in the township of Schreiber by this government and by Bill 103.
The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat. I wanted to explain my reasoning. The state of my health, I feel, is fantastic. I'm not going to around the clock. We work on two-hour shifts; we have four hours off. I hope that you pass that along, but I am required to read this page. We have to read each one with two words different on each one. My ruling is that is not a point of order.
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: You're standing up.
Mr Marchese: Point of order.
The Second Deputy Chair: You're withdrawing this one?
Mr Marchese: I'm going to explain it so that you follow me.
The Second Deputy Chair: No, you're not.
Mr Marchese: I'm not going to explain it?
The Second Deputy Chair: No. You're either going to withdraw it or rise properly or sit down.
Mr Marchese: I would like to withdraw the next two motions and I was going to explain it to you, if you like. If not, it's okay.
The Second Deputy Chair: No.
Mr Marchese: No? Okay. The next one says Bainbridge Avenue. Okay?
The Second Deputy Chair: This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bainbridge Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bainbridge Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bainhart Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bainhart Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: You can hear okay now?
Mr Marchese: I came closer so that I could hear you clearly.
The Second Deputy Chair: The problem with the member for Welland-Thorold is, there was a member standing up between us. So I'd ask you to take your seats, please.
Mr Kormos: I'm trying to hear.
The Second Deputy Chair: "`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
The member for Welland-Thorold, you have trouble hearing? Is there a way for us to direct them to turn the volume up on the mike?
Mr Kormos: Point of order, Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: Just before you get into your point of order, I want to suggest to you that the request to turn up the volume has been made and apparently it's going at full speed. I'm sorry. We can't do anything more for you.
Mr Marchese: Slow down.
Mr Kormos: Point of order: I appreciate that throughout the course of my life I may have suffered some modest hearing loss. Others do. It's a part of living in an industrial community, for instance, and a part of the aging process. However, Chair, I ask you to contrast the clarity with which your co-chair Ms Churley was able to read these without the rapidity. She wasn't trying to turn this into a race. She was enunciating clearly. She wasn't trying to impress her caucus and curry favour with them.
A whole lot of people can't understand what you're saying because in your eagerness to speed this up, you're slurring the words so that they become incoherent, incomprehensible.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order.
Mr Kormos: I speak not only for myself but for hundreds of people who've been calling --
The Second Deputy Chair: Would you please take your seat. Member for Welland-Thorold, I want to be very specific. I consider your comments an insult to this chair and to the people who have occupied it during the past few days and I will not tolerate it any more.
Mr Pouliot: But they want to know --
The Second Deputy Chair: You will come to order.
Mr Pouliot: They're watching TV.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order. I do not think that is your intention, but I will not tolerate you to bring into disrespect this Chair or the occupants of it.
Mrs Boyd: Point of order, Mr Chair: Are you going to be reading the entire motion that we are now on at this point because if you're starting in the middle, I'm not sure which one we're on and I'm supposed to be keeping track.
The Second Deputy Chair: You're insinuating that I have missed the odd word?
Mrs Boyd: No. No, not at all. I am afraid that I may have missed one and I'm just wondering which one you're on and whether you're reading the whole motion this time.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm endeavouring to.
Mrs Boyd: Thank you.
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The Second Deputy Chair: This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bainhart Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bainhart Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister'" --
The member for Algoma, you are standing in between members who have indicated a difficulty in hearing and understanding me. It's fine, except I am extending my voice to try to do that. First of all, they aren't listening and the second thing is, you're interfering. I'm trying to both project my voice to them there and through this, so I'm trying doubly hard to make them hear, understand and so on. I would ask your indulgence in accommodating --
Mr Wildman: I will do everything possible to bend over whenever I stand up in future --
The Second Deputy Chair: Just be careful which direction you are.
Mr Wildman: -- so that I'm not between you and the other speakers.
The Second Deputy Chair: Thank you. Member for London Centre, whereabouts was I?
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: I think I was at 4.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion stands defeated.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baintree Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baintree Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion stands defeated.
Mr Pouliot: Mr Chair, please, with respect, one, two, three -- cuatro, cinco, six, siete.
The Second Deputy Chair: I don't want to rush, but there have to be five standing in order to request a division. I looked up. There were only four.
Mr Wildman: That was because I was bending over.
Interjections.
Mr Pouliot: We didn't come out of a hat. We were here standing up.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is my ruling. You may appeal.
Mr Pouliot: The motion is defeated for a fraction -- what about intent and spirit?
The Second Deputy Chair: This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baintree Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baintree Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baird Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baird Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Mrs Boyd: Point of order, Mr Chair: It's my understanding that as we go through committee of the whole it is essential for either the minister or one of his parliamentary assistants to be present in the House. I don't believe that's the case at the moment. I wonder if you could rule on that.
The Second Deputy Chair: My ruling is that is not a point of order and they don't have to be here.
Mr Wildman: Actually it's out of order to mention their absence.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order, please.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bairstow Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bairstow Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baker Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baker Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bakersfield Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bakersfield Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bakerton Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bakerton Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the ayes -- the nays have it. I think it was a nay.
Mrs Boyd: You were right the first time, Mr Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bala Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bala Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balaby Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Balaby Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balaclava Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied'" --
The Chair recognizes the member for Algoma.
Mr Wildman: I was just concerned about what happened to the person in the front, but she seems okay.
The Second Deputy Chair: They will get looked after, but you are also standing in the way between me and people who have indicated a great deal of difficulty hearing me. I just wanted to bring that to your attention.
Mr Kormos: He wasn't standing in my way.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner'" -- I've read that.
"`2. The minister has considered'" -- I think I read that.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing" -- this also sounds familiar -- "has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Mrs Boyd: Point of order, Mr Chair: In the middle of reading section 3 of the previous one, I believe you added some words. Are they meant to be part of the motion? I believe you said, "This sounds familiar."
Mr Ruprecht: That's right.
Mrs Boyd: Is that part of the motion?
The Second Deputy Chair: No. I was reminding myself whereabouts I had left off to start again because I had been interrupted partway through.
Mrs Boyd: I was confused because it wasn't on my sheet.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is a point of order.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balcarra Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents'" --
The Chair recognizes the member for Welland-Thorold.
Mr Wildman: I recognize him too.
Interjection: Peter Kormos.
The Second Deputy Chair: I have difficulty of knowing when you're standing up if you're on a point of order, if you're trying to get my attention.
Mr Kormos: If I'm on a point of order, I'll address the Chair to that effect.
The Second Deputy Chair: But it is very confusing to me. I look up and, as you can see -- I'll have to some different way of knowing if somebody's going to stand up all the time and when I have to recognize when they're standing on a point of order.
Mr Kormos: I'm anticipating the recorded vote.
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The Second Deputy Chair: "`The minister has given notice of'" -- is that where I was -- "`the proposed regulation, in a manner'" -- and that was not part of the motion -- "`that will come to the attention of the residents of Balcarra Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP --
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'd like to address a very grave concern, to the member for Welland-Thorold. I'll allow you to stand, but if you're going to address comments and stand, then I'll not tolerate it.
Mr Kormos: My apologies, Mr Chair, I'll --
The Second Deputy Chair: I'll accept your apologies, thanks.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balding Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Balding Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Mr Martin: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: I've been in my office listening to you for the last while and I have to say, in respect for a number of people out there who are elderly, hard of hearing, and who are very interested in what's going on here because they're concerned about the process and democracy and what's happening to their communities -- as a matter of fact, I had two faxes from a couple of constituents in my own community who are watching this with keen interest and want to know what's going on. Sault Ste Marie --
The Second Deputy Chair: I want to get on with this. Is it they don't understand or they can't hear?
Mr Martin: This is a point of order. They're having a hard time understanding. I just want you to hear what they have to say. It says here -- it's from Gus and Mary Morrison -- "Tony, tell Bert Johnson to speak more clearly and quit goofing off. We cannot understand him. If he is tired, let him leave the House and have someone else come in. He is only doing this to antagonize those people who presented these bills. Thanks, Gus." Then there's another one a little while later. It says: "Tony, regardless of how many bills the Chair has read, the next one he reads is the first one and should be read as slowly as the first one. Every one is a new one. Thanks, Gus."
I offer that to you, Bert, as some suggestion re my concern for people out there who want to know what it is that we as an opposition party are presenting by way of amendment to these very significant bills. So I hope you will take that into account as you move forward.
The Second Deputy Chair: I certainly will. I've ruled on this before. I can't do anything about the volume, so if you can't hear I can't do anything about it. My mannerism is such that I don't enjoy all of this. Would you please take your seat while I'm explaining to you. I'm ruling on your point. Such is my way of doing it. I'd like you to know that I have read 40 of these in the last 55 minutes. There are only two words' difference on them, so it is kind of repetitive. I'm sure you'll --
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order. When I'm explaining this to the member, I gather that you will relay that on to constituents who have indicated an interest.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baldoon Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baldoon Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baldwin Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baldwin Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee --
Mr David Christopherson (Hamilton Centre): On a point of order, Mr Chairman: I would just like to raise the fact with you that there are more calls coming in. We've received another 20 calls in the last little while about the speed at which you're speaking and they're asking you to slow down the auction. People are offended, Speaker, and I urge you to please show the respect that the Chair has indicated the amendments deserve and therefore the people deserve. Please, read them a little more clearly out of deference to this place and the process that we're in.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is a point of order and I've ruled on it before.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection" -- oh, no.
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: You've already read Baldwin Street, if that is the one you were on, and you were at the point of asking for the vote.
The Second Deputy Chair: Good heavens, a terrible mistake. Thanks very much for pointing that out. That is a point of order.
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baleberry Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baleberry Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bales Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bales Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balford Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Balford Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balfour Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Balfour Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ballacaine Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ballacaine Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ballantyne Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ballantyne Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ballater Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ballater Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Mr Pouliot: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: Je vous remercie profondément.
The Second Deputy Chair: Uno momento.
Mr Pouliot: [Remarks in Spanish]
The Second Deputy Chair: I need French on here.
Mr Pouliot: [Remarks in Spanish]
The Second Deputy Chair: Order. I will address your point of order when I get a translation.
You have a point of order?
Mr Pouliot: Yes.
The Second Deputy Chair: And will you address it to me in English?
Mr Pouliot: In English, and I will speak slowly. Mr Speaker, with high respect for your office and with respect for you, sir, our caucus has just received no less than 15 phone calls in the last 20 minutes, sir, and every one of those 15 calls to our caucus offices has respectfully requested that you please attempt to slow down. This is a public domain product. People are glued to their television set and they're trying to follow all the serious amendments. You will of course agree, Mr Speaker, again with high respect, sir, that the subject matter, the amendments that are being debated here, go to the very heart of the legislation which is being put forth by the government. We would encourage you, sir, for public consumption so we can all understand the process and for your own goodwill and benefit and good health, because we're concerned about your health, that you slow down so we can hear.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'd like to address --
Mr Pouliot: Thank you, sir.
The Second Deputy Chair: First of all, I think my health is fine. If it isn't, I'll be the first one to know. The second is that I'm reading these for the benefit of the members here and they're being broadcast, I understand, to somebody else for some other reason; I don't know or care about that. I want to make sure that you hear and understand it. Actually, I think I read the first several hundred of these word for word, the 250 words that they are, about. I read them fairly slowly just so people would get the general gist of it. After the next few hundred come along and they're word for word, then I don't -- if I'm going a little bit fast, I'm sure you'll explain to your constituents why it is that I do. It's my nature. I'm sorry for my nature, but my nature is within me. That was a point of order.
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Mr Silipo: On a separate point of order, Mr Chairman: I find a bit troubling your comment. I'm not questioning your ruling on the issue raised by my colleague from Lake Nipigon, but your point with respect to the televising of the proceedings. I think you said something to the effect you don't know why, for whose purpose or to whom they're being televised.
The Second Deputy Chair: No, I know exactly why. I just don't know if they are, because I don't have a television here. So I just assume they are.
Mr Silipo: I would assume, sir, you would know, not just as a member of this place, but as one of the presiding officers, that the proceedings of the committee of the whole, just like the proceedings of the House, are being televised. So the point that is being raised from time to time and the reason, and I think you would agree with me, why that is the case is because there was a decision made by this Parliament a long time ago now, supported I believe by all three parties of the House at that time, that there was merit to televising these proceedings so the public would be able to follow what we, their elected representatives, would be doing. The point and the principle behind that is that people, in following, have to have the ability to understand what is going on.
The reason we continue to raise with you, sir, the point about not speaking as quickly as you do, while we appreciate and understand what you are trying to do, which is to do your job to get us through the proceedings in an efficient way, we do need to underline with you that in fact it is important. That's why the whole proceedings exist in the televised fashion, to ensure that people in the public who are not able to be here present in the galleries to see what is going on, have an ability through their television screens and monitors to be able to follow the proceedings. Part of that means being able to follow what people are saying, in this case, you, as the Chair, reading the amendments that have been moved.
In asking you to slow down a little bit to the point where people can understand the words you are saying, that's the point we are making and, more important, that's the point the people calling in to our offices are making. We are relaying to you on their behalf. I would just ask that you take that into account because, quite frankly, it doesn't gain anybody anything if you go through, as you said earlier, some 44 amendments in 50 minutes and then through the points of order that are raised you lose any time you think you've gained by doing that. The point is you're not reading them just for our benefit. This is the point I want to come back to in terms of the televising of the proceedings. You are not reading them just for the benefit of the members present; you're also reading them for the benefit of the public that's following. I would just ask you to keep that in mind.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm reading them to the best of my ability. I'm trying to project my voice. I'm trying to enunciate, pronunciate. They are very repetitive. You are probably familiar with the wording. They are word for word, over and it.
My point was that when I'm in the chair I cannot know whether or not it's being broadcast. When I'm out, if I'm not sleeping, then I can turn on the TV and know. Nobody has told me this is being broadcast right now.
Mr Wildman: Believe us, Chair. It is being broadcast. Just believe us. It is being broadcast.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'll take your word for it. Where was I?
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balliol Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Balliol Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ballyconnor Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ballyconnor Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ballymena Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ballymena Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ballyronan Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ballyronan Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred. So are the motions.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balmer Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Balmer Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balmoral Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Balmoral Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balmuto Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Balmuto Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balmy Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Balmy Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balsam Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Balsam Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: We'd like to withdraw the next motion.
The Second Deputy Chair: I understand. It is withdrawn. It is all the ones who reside in Balsam Lake; all the residents in Balsam Lake.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Balsam Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Balsam Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Mr Christopherson: On a point of order, Mr Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: The Chair recognizes the member for Hamilton Centre.
Mr Christopherson: Thank you, Mr Chair. I appreciate your recognition. I would like to raise with you, sir, the fact that Jenny McKay, Wayne Andrews, Hector Ambola, Diane Owens, Alex Rittler and Connie White have all called our offices to also ask us to raise the issue of how quickly you are reading these.
I would remind you, Chair, that our concern is not so much the volume per se as it is the speed and the lack of respect, which I am sure is not intentionally your motivation, but that is what is happening. I would you ask you, sir, to please read the amendments in a manner that respects the recognition and honour, quite frankly, that amendments deserve, particularly when they have been ruled in order 100% bona fide business before this Legislature by our esteemed Speaker. Sir, on behalf of these Ontarians, I ask you to respect the wishes of a growing number of people who are very concerned.
The Second Deputy Chair: I will ask you to withdraw your comment impugning the motives of the Chair. I will give you that opportunity.
Mr Christopherson: I believe I was making the point that your motives were not to be questioned, but, sir, out of respect for your position I, of course, withdraw.
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: I've ruled on that point of order before.
Mr John R. Baird (Nepean): On a point of order, Mr Speaker: I would argue that you should go at a reasonable pace because it's costing $10,000 an hour to operate this place. It's costing taxpayers an awful lot of money.
Interjections.
The Deputy Speaker: Order. That is not a point of order.
Mr Wildman: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: I would just point out for all of us and all and sundry, that the easiest way to bring this to a close is for the government to respect the referendum vote and withdraw the bill.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order.
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Mr Howard Hampton (Rainy River): On a point of order, Speaker: The House would meet at this time. This is ordinary time for the House to meet. I believe the government should respect the 76% of the people who voted against their legislation as well.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order.
All those in favour of this motion. Those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baltic Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baltic Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baltray Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baltray Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this House this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bamber Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bamber Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bambi Trail living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bambi Trail living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bamboo Grove living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bamboo Grove living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bamburgh Circle living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bamburgh Circle living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: I've been approached by several members of the members' gallery. Some have obtained ear pieces, and receiving and amplification devices.
The Second Deputy Chair: Your point of order?
Mr Kormos: Yes, sir. Several others have complained that they couldn't understand the Speaker or indicated that, like me, it couldn't be a matter of the Speaker speaking too quickly, but they must be hard of hearing, as the Speaker indicated I was. Would the Speaker please arrange for these people to receive those amplification devices, as is their right. They're told that no more are available to them.
The Second Deputy Chair: Would you please take your seat. I've ruled on that point of order before.
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Mr Kormos: Mr Speaker, please, on a point of order: They need hearing devices. They advised me and other members to use hearing devices. Seven participants in that gallery have requested hearing devices. They're being denied to them. Speaker, it's within your purview to ensure that they receive those and it's your obligation to do so.
The Second Deputy Chair: My apologies for anybody who doesn't hear or understand, but this is my manner. I'm sorry.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bamford Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bamford Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Mr Chairman.
The Second Deputy Chair: A new point of order?
Mr Kormos: Yes, sir.
The Second Deputy Chair: The Chair recognizes the member for Welland-Thorold on a new point of order.
Mr Kormos: Chair, we've just received a telephone call advising us that many of the names of the streets are names that were given to those streets in commemoration of veterans of the First and Second World Wars who gave their lives for their country. This caller has identified some of those names, with difficulty, as those very veterans who paid the supreme sacrifice for us.
The Second Deputy Chair: Okay. I get your point of order.
Mr Kormos: I submit as a point of order, in accordance with this caller --
The Second Deputy Chair: Would the member take his seat. I'd like to explain my ruling.
Mr Kormos: -- that those names be treated with respect.
The Second Deputy Chair: Would the member please take his seat while I'm explaining the point of order.
I would like to apologize right now for every one of the names, if there's any street that I have mispronounced, either through ignorance or whatever on my part, and I apologize. I apologize for all those that I may have in the past and any that I may in the future, and I'm very sorry.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Banbury Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied -- I'm sorry, I'm going to interrupt myself. That was a point of order and I have ruled on it.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Banbury Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry?
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: Prior to our motion, could you confirm for me which one we're on. Is this Banbury Road or Bancroft Avenue that we're reading now?
The Second Deputy Chair: Banbury Road.
Mrs Boyd: Thank you. I wasn't sure whether I had missed one.
The Second Deputy Chair: Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bancroft Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bancroft Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this House this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Banda Sq living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied'" --
Mr Kormos: That's "Square." S-q is short form for "Square," sir.
The Second Deputy Chair: This is Banda Sq. If it were a short form, it would have a period.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Banda Square living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this House this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Banff Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Banff Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Mr Pouliot: On a point of order, Mr Chairman.
The Second Deputy Chair: The Chair recognizes the member for Lake Nipigon. On a new point of order?
Mr Pouliot: On a new point of order; also by way of an update, if I may. You will recall about half an hour ago approximately, Mr Speaker, you encouraged me to -- and I tried in Spanish -- en español -- I tried in French, and then, finally, I somewhat succeeded, with your cooperation, in English in a very, very deliberate manner to get the point of order across. I want to speak again to that point because I think it's important.
The Second Deputy Chair: What is the point?
Mr Pouliot: The point is, sir, I've received in the last 20 minutes eight calls: a call from Wapekeka, Wunnummin Lake, Summer Beaver in the great riding of Lake Nipigon. I've received a total of eight calls.
The Second Deputy Chair: I still don't know what your point of order is.
Mr Pouliot: People are saying to me through Cree and Ojibwa, "Will you please slow down," so they can keep up with all those serious amendments. They're concerned about your health, sir.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'd like to rule on that point of order now. Would you take your seat, please.
I have ruled on that point of order before.
This is an NDP motion --
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Mr Chairman.
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The Second Deputy Chair: The Chair recognizes the member for Welland-Thorold on a point of order.
Mr Kormos: Speaker, with your guidance, could the Chair confirm that these telephone calls are being made to 416-325-8300 here in Toronto?
The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bangor Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied'" --
The member for Welland-Thorold is standing and he's talking. Are you talking to me?
Mr Kormos: No.
The Second Deputy Chair: Then would you please take your seat or stop talking; one or the other, please. I'm doing the best I can. You have had several complaints and I don't want you to be the cause of me making a mistake. This is a very tedious business.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bangor Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Banigan Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Banigan Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bank Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bank Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Ms Lankin: Mr Speaker, point of order: It's a request for unanimous consent. I've been receiving messages. I received a message from Kathleen Dunphy, who has lived for 33 years on Austin Crescent and raised nine children there who still come back home, and she's very upset because she had to leave for a short while. She missed Austin Crescent and would like us to return and to repeat Austin Crescent. I'd like to ask unanimous consent if we could do that, Mr Speaker.
The Second Deputy Chair: Is there unanimous consent? Sorry, there is no unanimous consent.
Mr Kormos: Mr Speaker, on a point of order: The residents of Austin Crescent undoubtedly called 416-325-8300 to convey that message. Is that true?
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm a very patient person. I was here for two hours late last night; I was here for two hours through the night; I was here for two hours early this morning; I've been here an hour and 55 or 56 minutes now. I have gone through five, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70 of them. I'm doing the best I can and I do not appreciate the member for Welland-Thorold interrupting on points of order that are not points of order to telecast the telephone number that I don't know anything about.
Mr Kormos: I apologize, Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: The Chair accepts your apology.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bankfield Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bankfield Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bankview Cir living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied'" --
Mr Kormos: Chair, on a point of order: "Cir" is an abbreviation for "Circle." It's Bankview Circle.
The Second Deputy Chair: No, I'm going to rule on your point of order.
Mr Kormos: "Cr" is "Crescent," "Cir" is "Circle."
Mr Christopherson: And "Sq" is "Square."
The Second Deputy Chair: I'd like to rule on your point of order. I'm just reading what's in front of me and the English that I took said that if it was a short form, it would have a period at the end of it.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.'"
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: Would the member for Welland-Thorold come to order, please; would the member for Beaches-Woodbine come to order. I don't intend to try to yell or project my voice more than I already am and I'll have to have a little bit of quietness in order that you can hear, that you can understand, you can get the enunciation and the pronunciation.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bankwell Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bankwell Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'"
Mr Christopherson: Point of order Mr Chair: I appreciate you recognizing me. I would just bring to your attention that for some reason -- I don't know whether it's a mechanical failure or the season -- I notice in the public galleries there are an awful lot of people who are fanning themselves. Clearly they're uncomfortable. I wonder if you could direct, as the presiding officer of this place at this moment, that this be looked into, because there's no need for them to be that discomforted when they want to participate. Take a look, Speaker. They're fanning away. We need to make sure they're as comfortable as they can be. This is their place.
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The Second Deputy Chair: I'd like to address that as a point of order, because it is something that I want to address. We do welcome those who would like to be involved in the public hearings. I will not prohibit fanning. But if it becomes a demonstration, I will clear the galleries.
Mr Christopherson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I'm sure the Chair would not want to misinterpret my comments. It was meant to be nothing other than a recognition that they are very, very warm. I would ask if you could direct that this be looked into so that the public can be comfortable in their public building. It's not code for anything, Chair. Don't be quite so paranoid, sir.
The Second Deputy Chair: On your point of order, the Sergeant at Arms is in charge of the chamber. He has heard you. He will do the best he can.
Mr Christopherson: Chair --
The Second Deputy Chair: Oh, don't worry about that, just talk to me; I can hear you.
Mr Christopherson: I want to make sure that I have the proper attention. I just wanted to thank you for recognizing that was why I raised it. I appreciate very much and I know the public appreciates anything you can do to make this place as comfortable as possible for the people who own it. Thank you.
The Second Deputy Chair: I would like to caution that if the Sergeant at Arms is successful with the air-conditioning, then I will interpret the fanning as a demonstration. Whereabouts was I?
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
I will be relinquishing the chair now. I just wanted to report that in the last two hours I have read 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 74 identical motions, with the streets. I do want to apologize if I've gone too fast, if somebody has misunderstood, if they haven't heard, and I want to apologize for mispronunciations of any names. Thank you very much.
The First Deputy Chair: This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Banmoor Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Banmoor Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the House that the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bannatyne Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bannatyne Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bannerman Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bannerman Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bannockburn Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bannockburn Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bannon Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bannon Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bansley Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bansley Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mr Pouliot: On a point of order, Madam Speaker: I want to point out that I had the opportunity, because someone from the media, from Radio-Canada, asked me to go outside -- and I'll be candid, I'm seeking your guidance and leadership in this affair. With respect to the government, there seems to be an acquiescence. People are saying, "What are the chances, Mr Pouliot, that the government will withdraw both Bill 103 and Bill 104, go back to the drawing board and come back after much more consultation?" Not only the media, they're responding to many phone calls that we've been getting through our office all the way to northern Ontario. People are scared. These bills taken on extraordinary proportions. The impact affects everybody, not only in Toronto but all over the province.
The First Deputy Chair: Member for Lake Nipigon, what is your point of order?
Mr Pouliot: The point of order can best be treated under the auspices, the tutelage, of article 22(b), paragraph 1, and I trust you will reserve judgement on my point of order.
The First Deputy Chair: To the member for Lake Nipigon, I have some doubts about the relevance to that section. I will check it, but what you raised is not a point of order and we will now continue with the amendment.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Banstock Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Banstock Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the House that the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mr Pouliot: Madam Chair, on a point of order: Please, I rely on your good trust. I just received a message, and it's open for verification, please: "Gilles, people are calling from riding re megacity. All fully support it and think you're doing a great job." They're talking about our party, Madam.
Mrs Olive of Schreiber called to complain that Bert Johnson was talking too fast. She believes he is doing so on purpose. "Do not hesitate to mention my name."
Also, a gentleman from Kitchener called to congratulate you. He also complained that Bert, our deputy, deputy, Deputy Chair, is going too fast and he can't follow the importance of each and every amendment. It may be a matter of record, but people are watching, watching the bill, watching them, the government across.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you very much for your point of order, member for Lake Nipigon. I suggest that you take that up with that particular Deputy Chair when he is at the table.
Hon Mr Leach: I'd like to comment on that point of order, because I think it's totally unfair to criticize a Chair who has left the chair. The Chair who was in the chair previous to you ruled on that point of order, ruled it out of order on a number of occasions, as the member who raised the point of order was aware. So he should withdraw it completely.
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Interjection.
The First Deputy Chair: Member for Beaches-Woodbine, come to order.
Feel free, by the way, if you can't hear me, to let me know. I will endeavour to speak louder.
I would say to the Minister of Municipal Affairs, essentially I ruled that point by the member for Lake Nipigon out of order and suggested that if there's a concern, it be taken up with that particular deputy.
Let's get back to the amendments at hand. We have a lot to do here.
Ms Lankin: A lot? How much is a lot, Madam Chair?
The First Deputy Chair: Come to order, member for Beaches-Woodbine.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Banton Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Banton Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I have two matters to raise with you. First, we're receiving calls at (416) 325-8300 indicating that the present Chair, yourself, is very good, speaks clearly and slowly and in a manner that respects the public and respects the legislative process. A number of those calls have been received at 325-8300.
The First Deputy Chair: Member for Welland-Thorold, that is not a point of order. Let's hear your second point.
Mr Kormos: My second point of order is that I went up into the galleries, and I confirm to you, Chair, as my colleague from Hamilton Centre rose on recently, that it is excessively hot up there. The legislative security are trying to prop doors open so there can be some modest air circulation, but it's unfair to members of the public. It's oppressively hot. They are doing their best, and they also appreciate that you're speaking slowly, but they're having difficulty hearing as well because of the inadequacy of the PA system. I raise that with you, Chair, so you can deal with it appropriately.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you very much. On your first point, that is not a point of order. On your second point, I understand that security is in the process of opening windows and trying to deal with that problem.
I do want to come back to the issue of my being heard. I will do my best to make sure that you can hear me. I would like for all people in the House to hear me. There is a problem for all of us Speakers. We are taking turns sitting here every two hours, with four-hour breaks. There are times, I have to confess, when I deliberately lower my voice to save it, so that in the event we're here tomorrow and the day after and the day after, I am able to still -- and I would image that the other deputies, in terms of the level, the volume of the voice, are in the same position. So I would ask that you bear with all of us in terms of helping us preserve our voices so that we can get you through these thousands of amendments over the next while. I would ask your indulgence in that. Thank you.
Mr Kormos: I just want to thank you, and I appreciate your comments. I lower my voice from time to time too for much the same reason.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you very much. Now, shall we get back to our --
Mr Pouliot: Madam Chair, on a point of order: We know that time is of the essence. I will not prolong this, but to prepare yourself mentally and physically for the task ahead is indeed sage. It's very, very wise indeed, and we will try to help as much as we possibly can in the days and weeks ahead.
The First Deputy Chair: I very much appreciate that, and the way you can best help me now is to let me get on with reading these important amendments.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barbados Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barbados Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barbara Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barbara Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barber Greene Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barber Greene Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed to the motion please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barberry Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barberry Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barclay Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barclay Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bards Walkway living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bards Walkway living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bardsea Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bardsea Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Should the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bardwell Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bardwell Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion lost; I'm sorry.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barfield Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barfield Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed to the motion please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barford Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barford Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote shall be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barkdene Hills living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barkdene Hills living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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