Mr Gilles Bisson (Timmins-James Bay / -Timmins-Baie James
Mrs Claudette Boyer (Ottawa-Vanier L)
Mr Brian Coburn (Ottawa-Orléans PC)
Mr Garfield Dunlop (Simcoe North / -Nord PC)
Mr Raminder Gill (Bramalea-Gore-Malton-Springdale PC)
Mr Pat Hoy (Chatham-Kent Essex L)
Ms Frances Lankin (Beaches-East York ND)
Mr Bill Murdoch (Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound PC)
Substitutions / Membres remplaçants
Mr Wayne Wettlaufer (Kitchener Centre / -Centre PC)
Also taking part / Autres participants et
Mr R. Gary Stewart (Peterborough PC)
Clerk / Greffière
Ms Tonia Grannum
Staff / Personnel
Ms Susan Klein, legislative counsel
The committee met at 1009 in committee room
ST. JEROME'S UNIVERSITY ACT, 2000
Consideration of Bill Pr34, An
Act respecting the University of St. Jerome's College.
The Chair (Ms Frances
Lankin): I call the meeting to order. The committee
today will be dealing with consideration of Bill Pr34, An Act
respecting the University of St. Jerome's College. This bill is
sponsored by Mr Wettlaufer.
Mr Wettlaufer, would you like
to introduce the applicant, and if you have any opening comments
yourself, please go ahead.
Mr Wayne Wettlaufer
(Kitchener Centre): The reason for the bill is a change
of name and I believe some cleanup items. I expect that we won't
have objections from any members of any of the caucuses. That's
Debbie Pecoskie and Frank
Williams are here representing St Jerome's.
I'll say welcome to both of you. It's nice to see you again, Mr
Williams, in a different setting but often around this table.
Would you like to make some introductory comments with respect to
Williams: As Mr Wettlaufer has just said, my name is
Frank Williams. I am counsel for the University of St Jerome's
College, hopefully soon to be a little shorter, St Jerome's
I don't know how much detail
you want me to go into. I can go through briefly what was in the
compendium that I sent over to the clerk. Perhaps that's of some
use to the committee.
The Chair: I
think a brief synopsis would be helpful for committee
I'll do my glasses routine here for a minute, so bear with
Some background: the
University of St Jerome's College has been referred to for
several years as St Jerome's university in a practical sense. In
some regards we're just trying to catch up with reality in that
respect. We're requesting that the committee approve that the
name be changed to reflect current usage.
The composition of the
teaching staff has also changed in St Jerome's over the years,
from mainly priests to mainly laypersons, with the occasional
priest on staff. The board has therefore decided not to restrict
the makeup of persons who may be representing the teaching staff
on the board to only laypersons, so we've requested a change in
The board of St Jerome's
would also like to require that all board members, except the
Provincial Superior of the Congregation of the Resurrection in
Ontario or his delegate, be Canadian citizens. Again, in fact,
that reflects the current practice at St Jerome's.
We would also like to ensure,
in order to have some corporate history on the board, that the
term of reappointment be increased from one term to two terms so
we have a little bit more continuity on our board.
One of the present
requirements is that the chancellor be elected for a term of four
years. We're finding in some instances that that could prove to
be somewhat restrictive. We've requested now that the act be
changed so that it will be a period of up to four years, so it
can be flexible according to the bylaws of the board.
The last significant change
is with respect to the audited financial statements of St
Jerome's. In the past it required that we provided copies to the
staff, faculty and students. What we'd like to do is bring it
into the modern age and say that we will make the financial
statements available. We're planning to do that over the Internet
and to provide a hard copy through the president's office and in
The only other major change
in drafting is that we're now referring to non-teaching staff as
"staff" and to teaching staff as "faculty" to again reflect
modern usage at most universities.
That's basically a summary of
what we've done. The only other change, as legislative counsel
can attest to, is bringing some of the language up to more modern
Ms Pecoskie, did you want to add any comments?
Pecoskie: I think Mr Williams is representing us
extremely well. It is basically that we were a Roman Catholic
institution and we have become a lay institution, previously
founded and owned and operated by the Congregation of the
Resurrection, a religious order of priests. With the laypersons
taking over the operation of the university, we've made the
decision that we should reflect who we are today. We appreciate
Mr Coburn, does the ministry have any comments?
Mr Brian Coburn
(Ottawa-Orléans): I have no objections. In fact, I
have a letter from Minister Dianne Cunningham supporting this
Mr Bisson, did you have a question?
Mr Gilles Bisson
(Timmins-James Bay): I have a question with regard to
your annual statement, just to understand what you're saying. I
wasn't aware that you need to have a statute here in the
Legislature to be able to post your annual statement on the
Internet. I'm not quite sure what you were getting at there.
Let me read the old version and the new version and you can
compare what we're doing. The other requirement we're adding is
that the board shall now provide a copy of the audited financial
statements to the minister. That wasn't previously in the bill
It's a bit of a nuance as to
what the difference is. The present section reads, "The board
shall make a financial report annually to the students, staff,
and teaching staff of the university in such manner as the board
determines." In truth, I'm not sure each year that there was
actually a physical piece of paper that was handed to these three
bodies. What we've asked now is that it read: "Every year, the
board shall make available to faculty, staff and students the
audited financial statement of the university and shall do so in
the manner that the board determines."
My discussions with the board
are such that we will be planning to post these financial
statements on the university Web site as well as making a hard
copy available in the president's office and in the library.
Mr Bisson: I
am not quite sure of the difference between the two, what the old
bill said and what the new bill says. It seems to me you can do
that with the old one, but if you want to change it, that's fine
I think in a strict interpretation, "make available" means you
give somebody a physical piece of paper.
Further questions or comments from committee members?
There might be now.
I'm going to move quickly, before the member assumes his
Is there any debate with
respect to the bill? Are members ready to vote? OK.
We are dealing with Bill
Pr34, An Act respecting the University of St. Jerome's College,
sponsored by Mr Wettlaufer.
On a point of order, Chair: I understand there was supposed to be
a motion moved in order to waive the printing of the bill.
Are any committee members intending to move amendments to this
Shall sections 1 through 6
Shall the preamble carry?
Shall the title carry?
Shall the bill carry?
Shall I report the bill to
the House? It shall be done.
I understand there is a
Wettlaufer: I move that the fees and actual cost of
printing at all stages be remitted on Bill Pr34, An Act
respecting the University of St. Jerome's College.
Are there any questions or comments with respect to Mr
Wettlaufer's motion? Seeing none, all those in favour, please
indicate. That's carried unanimously.
Is there any other business
to be brought before the committee this morning?
Mr Bill Murdoch
(Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound): I move we adjourn.
Mr Murdoch has moved adjournment of the committee. All those in
favour, please indicate. That is carried.
The committee is adjourned.
Thank you for being with us today.