Mr Gilles Bisson (Timmins-James Bay / -Timmins-Baie James
Mrs Claudette Boyer (Ottawa-Vanier L)
Mr Brian Coburn (Carleton-Gloucester PC)
Mr Garfield Dunlop (Simcoe North / -Nord PC)
Mr Raminder Gill (Bramalea-Gore-Malton-Springdale PC)
Mr Pat Hoy (Chatham-Kent Essex L)
Ms Frances Lankin (Beaches-East York ND)
Mr Bill Murdoch (Bruce-Grey PC)
Substitutions / Membres remplaçants
Mr Garry J. Guzzo (Ottawa West-Nepean / Ottawa-Ouest-Nepean
Mr Dave Levac (Brant L)
Clerk / Greffière
Ms Tonia Grannum
Staff / Personnel
Ms Susan Klein, legislative counsel
The committee met at 1008 in committee room
IDLEWYLD MANOR ACT, 2000
Consideration of Bill Pr33, An
Act respecting Idlewyld Manor.
The Vice-Chair (Mr
Garfield Dunlop): We'll call the meeting to order. The
only item of business is Bill Pr33, An Act respecting Idlewyld
Manor. The sponsor is David Christopherson. David, do you have
any comments on this?
Christopherson (Hamilton West): I'll be very brief. I've
met with the trustees on this. I've gone through their proposal,
and from what I can see, in terms of what we deal with, it's
fairly straightforward. It's a matter of upgrading the legal
foundation for Idlewyld. I guess really all I would do is suggest
to you that it has my total support as the local member. I'm
prepared to entertain any questions or comments, particularly
that the ministry might have through the parliamentary assistant.
But by way of presentation, I would introduce Paul Milne, who is
on the board and will speak to the details of the bill. So with
that, maybe I could turn it over to Paul, Chair?
Vice-Chair: Yes, go ahead, Mr Milne.
Milne: Good morning, Mr Chair and members of the
committee. I'd like to clarify: I'd been on the board for some
years and left the board to assist the manor in this particular
act and in the renewal of governance. It is my hope to go back on
the board when it's all finished for the very reason that I think
the organization is one of the most interesting and well-run
organizations that I personally have contributed to in many
I won't take a lot of your
time, but I thought I'd give you some-it has a very interesting
background to it. It actually started in 1846. The main act that
we're replacing was an 1852 act, and it's the governance in that
act that we're modernizing to take into account the changed
facility. It started as a soup kitchen and a volunteer
organization in 1846 in Hamilton. With the epidemic of cholera in
1851, because of the number of orphans that resulted from that
epidemic, it became a facility for orphans, and hence the act
that we're replacing. A building was constructed to house the
orphans and provide a school for them.
It was later on in the 1800s
that a very benevolent lady in the city bequeathed $4,000 to the
home, and, if you can believe it, they built a complete wing for
$4,000 to house aged women. I noted with interest that by 1925
there were 52 ladies in residence, and 22 of them were over 80
years of age and there were three over 90 years of age. The
waiting list at that time was some 85. Finally, as the mix of the
home started to change more and more, it was in 1848 that it
finally became the Aged Women's Home of Hamilton. In 1982, the
Idlewyld Manor was the final name change.
The purpose of this bill is
to modernize governance. The home has been allocated 96 beds by
the ministry, and although it is extraordinarily well-run by the
ladies' board of management and the executives and staff of the
home, it doesn't suit the very elderly population that now exists
in the home, because it's three storeys and it's very difficult
to serve them on a long-term-care basis.
In the horizon, what is the
future? The future is a new facility-they're working on it
now-which will house the current 101 residents plus an extra 96.
So the amendment to the act will provide a governance structure
that suits that. The previous structure was a board of trustees
which basically managed funds, and there was a ladies' committee
of management established in 1852 with responsibility for
operations. That governance worked well in the beginning, but in
today's world it does not work effectively, simply because the
ladies' board of management has taken on the tremendous mandate
of the building of the new home and applying for the new beds and
all that entails, yet the responsibility remains with the
trustees. The change now will be that a board of trustees will be
created, the board of management will no longer be in place and
the ladies' board of management will populate the trustees of the
home. The trustees will all be leaving their position, and a new
board of trustees for a foundation is being established.
That's basically the
background of it. I can tell you that there were substantial
negotiations in discussions with the public guardian and
trustee's office before the proposed bill was submitted. We took
into account the charitable implications of what we're doing with
that office. I really do appreciate their support and efforts.
Also, we are before you today unanimously. The ladies' board of
management and the trustees have all voted unanimously to proceed
with this bill. Those are basically my comments.
The Vice-Chair: Questions from,
first of all, the parliamentary assistant. Do you have any
Mr Brian Coburn
(Ottawa-Orléans): No, I have no questions. We have
no objections. On a personal note, I just want to congratulate
you on the reorganization so you're better able to meet the
challenges into the future. I wish you well in your future
Mr Dave Levac
(Brant): I have just a couple of quick questions of
clarification, maybe to David. Is there any reason why this isn't
in both official languages?
Clerk of the
Committee (Ms Tonia Grannum): Private bills don't have
to be in French.
Private bills don't have French? OK. That's just a clarification.
I wasn't sure of the process.
The second question is in
regard to the bill specifically. You mentioned that both groups
are in favour of it. Is there an agreed-upon mix or blend of who
can become members of the board, or has that already been
deciphered as to how many people would constitute the board
Yes. We're providing for a minimum-maximum board of seven to 15.
The ladies' board of management presently comprises nine. All
nine will sit as the new trustees of the manor. The present
trustees are five in number, and they will move to the trustees
of the foundation that has been incorporated.
Mr Levac: I
noticed in the notes that there were no known objectors. Did you
seek anyone from the community who felt this might not be the
appropriate thing to do?
Christopherson: If I can, that was the first thing that
crossed my mind when we're making changes like this. I can tell
you that everyone who might possibly, conceivably be involved in
this is supportive of it. Idlewyld is known well across the
entire city. It has an excellent reputation. I would be
absolutely stunned and shocked should anyone express any concern
whatsoever about anything other than agreeing to the change
Mr Levac: My
final comment is that I congratulate the member of the riding for
the homework that has been done, because these are the types of
bills that are very, very important to the community. When
they're brought forward, the fact that you've done all that
homework ahead of time prevents any kind of misgivings or any
misunderstandings that the community would go through during that
time. I compliment you on that. If not done, completely
communicate with the community that this is for the better-I'm
sure you've already done that. But my hat is off to you in terms
of this bill.
Christopherson: Thank you, Dave.
Mrs Claudette Boyer
(Ottawa-Vanier): It's just that I want clarification.
When I read yesterday your briefing note, you were saying that
now, instead of having a board of trustees and a board of
management, you would just have one. When I read it yesterday, I
thought there was going to be a board of trustees and a board for
the foundation, but this will be the same one?
No. The Idlewyld Manor, which is the act in front of you, will
have its own board of trustees and that will be the former
ladies' board of management. The Idlewyld Manor Foundation has
been incorporated, and its mandate will be to raise funds and
manage funds for Idlewyld Manor only. It's a captive foundation.
The present board of trustees of Idlewyld Manor will become the
trustees of the Idlewyld Manor Foundation so that there will be
distinct organizations and distinct boards of trustees.
OK. Thank you very much.
Vice-Chair: Any other questions from the committee
members? Is everyone ready to vote on this?
Mr Levac: Is
there an amendment that has to be done?
Vice-Chair: Yes. Mme Boyer has the amendment. It's on
Shall section 1 carry?
Shall section 2 carry?
Shall section 3 carry?
Shall section 4 carry?
Shall section 5 carry?
Shall section 6 carry?
Shall section 7 carry?
Shall section 8 carry?
Shall section 9 carry?
Shall section 10 carry?
We have an amendment for
Mrs Boyer: I
move that section 11 of the bill be struck out and the following
"11. When making investments,
the board shall be governed by the provisions of the Trustee Act
respecting investments by trustees, with necessary
Vice-Chair: Are there any questions on this amendment?
All in favour of the amendment?
Mr Garry J. Guzzo
(Ottawa West-Nepean): Is this with consent?
Christopherson: Yes. They were consulted by staff
yesterday and I just checked now and they're fine with the
Mr Guzzo: I
have trouble voting for that because I am not a believer in the
Trustee Act, but if it's on consent, carried.
Vice-Chair: Carried? Everybody is in favour of it?
Shall section 11, as amended,
Shall section 12 carry?
Shall section 13 carry?
Shall section 14 carry?
Shall the preamble carry?
Shall the title carry?
Shall the bill, as amended,
Shall I report the bill, as
amended, to the House? Carried.
Thank you very much,
everyone. That's it for today.
Mr Milne: Mr
Chairman, may I make just one final comment? There's always the
perception out there that when you deal with government that it's
difficult and a hardship. I think the members of the committee
should know that from the moment I made my first call to legislative counsel-both Susan
Klein and Don Revell-their response was immediate and their
assistance was immediate and was continuing. I can tell all of
you very frankly that that support and help, because it's not
something we do every day, brought us here quickly. We needed to
be here quickly, and it was with that support and assistance that
we got it all done and got here quickly. I can tell you that both
I and the trustees very much appreciate that help. I just wanted
you all to know that.
Vice-Chair: We're all pleased that you'd say that. On
behalf of the staff, thank you. Thank you for attending. The
meeting is adjourned.