PUBLIC HOSPITALS AMENDMENT ACT (PATIENT RESTRAINTS), 2000 / LOI DE 2000 MODIFIANT LA LOI SUR LES HÔPITAUX PUBLICS (MESURES DE CONTENTION)

JUDY LEVER
WILLIAM MOLLOY

ONTARIO MEDICAL ASSOCIATION

REGIONAL GERIATRIC PROGRAMS OF ONTARIO

REGISTERED NURSES ASSOCIATION OF ONTARIO

CONCERNED FRIENDS OF ONTARIO CITIZENS IN CARE FACILITIES

RUNNING TO DAYLIGHT FOUNDATION

CONTENTS

Tuesday 13 February 2001

Public Hospitals Amendment Act (Patient Restraints), 2000, Bill 135, Ms Lankin /
Loi de 2000 modifiant la Loi sur les hôpitaux publics (mesures de contention),

projet de loi 135, Mme Lankin

Ms Judy Lever; Dr William Molloy

Ontario Medical Association
Dr Albert Schumacher
Ms Barb LeBlanc

Regional Geriatric Programs of Ontario
Dr Rory Fisher

Registered Nurses Association of Ontario
Mrs Doris Grinspun

Concerned Friends of Ontario Citizens in Care Facilities
Ms Lois Dent
Ms Freida Hanna

Running to Daylight Foundation
Ms Jane Hawtin
Ms Sharon Deutsh

STANDING COMMITTEE ON THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY

Chair / Président
Mr R. Gary Stewart (Peterborough PC)

Vice-Chair / Vice-Président

Mr Brad Clark (Stoney Creek PC)

Ms Marilyn Churley (Toronto-Danforth ND)
Mr Brad Clark (Stoney Creek PC)
Ms Caroline Di Cocco (Sarnia-Lambton L)
Mr Jean-Marc Lalonde (Glengarry-Prescott-Russell L)
Mr Jerry J. Ouellette (Oshawa PC)
Mr R. Gary Stewart (Peterborough PC)
Mr Joseph N. Tascona (Barrie-Simcoe-Bradford PC)
Mr Wayne Wettlaufer (Kitchener Centre / -Centre PC)

Substitutions / Membres remplaçants

Mr Raminder Gill (Bramalea-Gore-Malton-Springdale PC)
Ms Frances Lankin (Beaches-East York ND)
Mr Joseph Spina (Brampton Centre / -Centre PC)

Clerk / Greffière

Ms Donna Bryce

Staff / Personnel

Mr Andrew McNaught, research officer, Research and Information Services

The committee met at 1002 in committee room 1.

PUBLIC HOSPITALS AMENDMENT ACT (PATIENT RESTRAINTS), 2000 / LOI DE 2000 MODIFIANT LA LOI SUR LES HÔPITAUX PUBLICS (MESURES DE CONTENTION)

Consideration of Bill 135, An Act to amend the Public Hospitals Act to regulate the use of restraints that are not part of medical treatment / Projet de loi 135, Loi modifiant la Loi sur les hôpitaux publics pour réglementer l'utilisation de mesures de contention qui ne font pas partie d'un traitement médical.

The Acting Chair (Mr Wayne Wettlaufer): Good morning. I'd like to call the meeting to order. I would hope this morning that we can give everybody the consideration they are due, from Ms Lankin to the presenters, and not get into political posturing today. I think that this matter is too important.

JUDY LEVER
WILLIAM MOLLOY

The Acting Chair: With that, I'd like to call our first presenters. I wonder if you would introduce yourselves, please, for Hansard, and we'll get on. You have 30 minutes. You can use any or all of it in your presentation. If there is any time left over, we'll have questions from the three caucuses.

Ms Judy Lever: I'm Judy Lever. I'm a clinical nurse specialist at the Hamilton Health Sciences Corp. My specialty is in gerontology and my specialty is dementia care. I'm here today because I feel strongly that we need legislation to monitor restraint, because I've been working for the last 15 years in my institution and throughout Ontario, trying to get policies of least restraint developed and implemented.

We did some research a number of years ago because of increasing concerns about the degree of restraint being used in our hospital. We countered restraints in four different institutions and published this in Humane Medicine. It's called Prevalence of Physical Restraints in Four Different Settings and Their Relationship to Medication Use.

In the hospital that I worked in, of the age-75 population and over, more than 70% of them in hospital were restrained at 10 o'clock in the morning. They were restrained with vests that tied at the back and underneath the bed or around the chair. They were restrained with wristlets, tying their arms from either side. They were restrained in geriatric chairs. They were restrained in beds with bed rails up so that they couldn't get up and go to the bathroom. It was just quite appalling to me that we could treat our seniors in this way.

So basically, I did another study, because we were working to try to get a policy of least restraint at our hospital; we didn't have one. I worked on a committee for a couple of years, and it took quite a long time before I was allowed to do a pilot study where we would examine the degree of restraint and reduce restraints on a couple of ward areas in the hospital. We did this over a six-month period of time, with no real cost to the hospital except for my time and effort and the staff having to come to education sessions that were held by me.

Over the six-month period of time, we were able to reduce restraints by 50% on the two ward areas, with no increase in falls or significant injuries. We published this. It's called Reduction of Restraint Use through Policy Implementation and Education. This was published in Perspectives magazine, which is the Canadian gerontological nurses' magazine, in 1995.

Subsequent to that I realized that if we weren't going to monitor regularly, there might be a problem. So six months after we finished doing the study on the two ward areas, I went back in and did a prevalence count of restraints after there was no emphasis being put on restraint reduction and no more education. The degree of restraint had gone back up to a higher level in terms of day-to-day restraints than there was before I actually started the study. So I realized at that time that a lot of it was attitudinal and it required a lot of changing of old habits that die hard. I don't think it has anything to do particularly with the degree of falls or the severity of a person's illness when they come into hospital.

As a result of all of that work, I wrote a booklet called Set Me Free, which is a booklet to educate staff members on the different reasons why people might be considered for restraints: people who might tend to fall, people who have difficult behaviours that are hard to manage, the habit type of restraint for the older person who just looks a bit frail and the staff might be concerned that they would injure themselves somehow.

I documented in this book how to reduce restraints and use alternative methods. I wanted to use this booklet in a large, randomized, controlled trial in various hospitals in Ontario to see whether we could actually get a reduction in restraints. However, we haven't been able to get funding or go that far.

I also developed a small booklet of the same name, Set Me Free, for family members. This was to be used by health care professionals to introduce the possibility of restraints and to educate family members about restraint use prior to having the team discussion about the use of restraints.

I've brought some of the alternatives that are available for restraints today that are quite easy. This one is a stop sign that can be put across a door that you don't want someone to go through. It's just attached with Velcro on either side of the door. It looks sort of like a construction area. For people who are memory impaired this will often work because, although they are not able to read a sentence or something, they recognize the common signage and are able to turn around and go elsewhere. There are also things called hip guards, which is just one product that's on the market today, that a person could have put on their hips if they are at high risk to fall. These are not things that are commonly used in hospitals today. Instead of using these kinds of alternatives, we tend to put people in geriatric chairs. We put their bed rails up, we tie them down and we reduce their mobility. It just makes it a very bad scene.

Most of the nurses in the hospitals know that there's a policy of least restraint, and in most hospitals in Ontario we have policies of least restraint. We have protocols, but they're not working. So my bottom line today is that I think legislation is long overdue because we've tried all the other methods to reduce restraints and we haven't been successful. We need something to show that we're not discriminating against seniors in our hospitals. This is really an issue of seniors more than it is of younger, middle-aged adults. Seniors are at very high risk, and the numbers coming into our hospitals today are increasing.

I've brought copies of these papers. I've also brought a reference list of the most recent articles to do with acute care and restraints that have been done throughout the world. There should be legislation to follow this up.

Dr William Molloy: My name is William Molloy. I'm a professor of medicine at McMaster and a geriatrician. I work in acute care hospitals. I work in the Henderson and Hamilton General, I work in the Greater Niagara General Hospital and I work in the Willett Hospital. I work all over the region and I've got fairly extensive experience in this issue. I co-authored the studies with Judy, co-authored the book. I had the opportunity some years ago to be a travelling fellow in Australia and I spent six weeks literally travelling through every geriatric unit in Australia, from Tasmania to Perth, right across the country. I've travelled extensively in Japan, I've travelled extensively in Britain and Ireland. I do a lot of lecturing and a lot of education.

I can tell you that it's embarrassing when our colleagues come from Ireland or Britain or Australia. They come into our hospitals and they shake their heads. They say, "What the hell are you doing here? What's this with restraints?"

This is not new. We have the data. The studies have been done. We did a study in our hospital showing this is not a cost issue. With education-it's a philosophy. It's a state of mind for staff: you don't tie up old people. It doesn't benefit them. It reduces their quality of life. It humiliates them. It reduces their functional state.

Just imagine we were going to do this. Can you imagine if we came in here today and picked one of you at random, we came up and tied you to the chair? Can you imagine what that would feel like? We would put a jacket on, we'd zip it up the back, we'd tie you to a chair and we'd leave you there. Can you imagine how that would feel? That's what a physical restraint is. It would never be accepted in the prison system, it would never be accepted with children, but we're doing it routinely in hospitals.

It's not being done in other countries. In my experience-we have the data to show you-70% of older adults aged over 70 in our hospital, a teaching hospital in Ontario, are in a physical restraint at 10 o'clock in the morning.

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Now you had Mr Bilodeau in here yesterday. Mr Bilodeau is the CEO of the Sisters of Charity in Ottawa and he is the chair of the Ontario Hospital Association task force. I don't know what Mr Bilodeau told you, but when he walked outside of this room to a press scrum he said, "I don't think it (the use of restraints) is a major issue, personally." This is the chair of the task force of the Ontario Hospital Association who doesn't think it's a major issue. He went on to say, "My guess is the law would just not be respected because there would be no more money to do that." This is not about money. This is not something that costs money. This is a philosophy in our health care system.

In Ireland and Britain you have to order bed sides. In Canada, in Ontario, go into our hospitals, and every bed has a bed side. They're just put up routinely. Do you know what it's like? It's like you're in somebody's house and all of a sudden the father comes in and whips off his belt and starts whacking the children with the belt and you say, "What are you doing?," and he says, "Well, you know, physical punishment is good for children," or whatever. It's just a bad attitude. In Ontario we've tried the policies. This is the OHA, this is our governing body for hospitals, not only showing disdain for the issue by saying it's not important but by saying that even if you pass legislation it will be ignored.

So this is our OHA. You can get the OMA coming in here and saying, "It's not a doctor's issue." It is a doctor's issue. It's everybody's issue in the health care system. If it's my patient, I want to know if somebody is going to tie him up. I don't want a nurse tying up my patients. I have to be involved in that decision. It's a doctor's issue, a nurse's issue, a physiotherapist's issue, an occupational therapist's issue, a family issue and it's the person's issue. These are frail older adults. They deserve our respect.

Number one, understand, physical restraints have never been shown to be effective. They have never been shown to do the things we think they're doing. They don't reduce falls. They don't do any of those things. We're in a bad habit in Ontario. We've tried everything. Please, please, I beg you. Excuse me, please, I'm asking you. I came to Toronto from Hamilton this morning. I'm asking you. Don't drop the ball. Don't delay; don't fuss; don't fudge; don't put it off. Please, pass this legislation. We need it. Please, I'm asking you. This is not an issue that we can ignore any more. Please pass this legislation.

The only thing we disagree with is the two-hour monitoring. Do it 12 hours. Don't take the doctor out of the loop. If you take the doctor out of the loop, it becomes a nurses' issue. Leave the doctor in the loop. Leave everybody in the loop. Everybody is responsible. Make sure before we put on physical restraints in this province we get a consent form, please, because it's not working, and if you think the OHA is going to do something about it, you just got told nothing's going to happen. Please, don't drop the ball.

Please, pass this legislation, because we are so frustrated with this issue, we who work in geriatrics. I'll just tell you one thing: there are three people training in geriatric medicine in English-speaking Canada next year. That's what the morale of geriatricians is like, because we've not been supported by people like you in these kinds of issues. We're losing ground. Please, put a mark in the sand now and say, "From this point on if you're going to tie somebody up in Ontario you have to document it and you have to do the minimum," because this is a basic human right. These are frail, older adults we're talking about. It's your mother and father, and it's you in a few years down the road. Please, don't drop the ball. Thank you.

We're open for questions.

The Acting Chair: Thank you, Dr Molloy and Ms Lever. We have 17, 18 minutes. We have six minutes per caucus and we'll begin questions with the Liberal caucus. Monsieur Lalonde.

Mr Jean-Marc Lalonde (Glengarry-Prescott-Russell): Thank you. We'll split the time between the two of us.

Thank you very much for coming down and giving us your statement on this very important issue. I'm really shocked by your comment about Mr Bilodeau and the article in the paper. I happened to be speaking to Mr Bilodeau right after his presentation yesterday, and he agreed with me that most of the physical restraints are due to lack of personnel and lack of funding. I haven't read the press clipping, but I will be reading it pretty soon.

Dr Molloy: Can I just respond to that one? This was a study we did in a ward in our hospital, where we did not increase funding. We went in and educated the nurses at the bedside about the use of physical restraints and we put a policy in. We reduced physical restraints within a couple of weeks by 50%. There was no increase in falls; there was no increase in medication use. Nothing else changed. It was just a shift in philosophy. It's simple.

The things we're talking about are not expensive. We're not talking MRIs and CAT scans. We're talking simple stop signs. We're talking simple creative strategies. It has been done in just about every other health care system in the world, but we're just not doing it in Ontario and it's a disgrace. So Mr Bilodeau should maybe read up on this.

Mr Lalonde: I mentioned yesterday that I often visit nursing homes. I have nine in my riding and I've seen those signs that you showed us a while ago. You said that at the beginning you had 70% of the people of 65 or 70 years of age-

Dr Molloy: Age 75 and older.

Mr Lalonde: -and over who were physically restrained. Then, after six months of surveying, you found out that it came down to about 50%.

Dr Molloy: Fifty per cent of that. We reduced it by 50%.

Mr Lalonde: What have you done to reduce it down to 50%?

Dr Molloy: Education. Judy went in and sat with the nurses and said, "This person is in a physical restraint." The intervention was very interesting. Judy will tell you. It was freaky interesting what happened. We call it the cafeteria effect. Listen to this; it's very interesting.

Judy went in and we gave the nurses a lecture on it and nothing happened. We showed them the policy and nothing happened. When Judy actually went in and stood at the bedside and said, "This is how you get this person out of restraint," physically went through the motions and showed them the assessment and how they did it, then the physical restraints came down. Very interestingly, in the ward that was the control-we had one ward where we did the intervention and the other ward was the control that we were following-it came down simultaneously in the other ward. As soon as the nurses started talking to each other, they taught each other in the same hospital, and restraints came down even where we weren't doing the intervention. Even nurses talking to each other in the cafeteria could teach each other how to reduce the physical restraints. This is not a cost issue, honestly.

The other thing-

Mr Lalonde: Just quickly. I have another one before Mrs Di Cocco-

Dr Molloy: Even if it were a cost issue, would it be OK to tie up old people to save money?

Mr Lalonde: Would you say at the present that we need to meet with organized labour to have more access to visitors? Because going through the documentation we received before we started this public hearing, I read that places that have a lot of visitors tend to reduce the number of times that you have to physically restrain the residents of different nursing homes.

I remember that at one time organized labour didn't like to have too many visitors who would help the nurses or staff to occupy the patients. Would you say that at times we need to sit down with organized labour and discuss those matters with them?

Ms Lever: Those kinds of matters are discussed at a local level on a regular basis. In the hospitals I work in, I don't think there is any issue with people coming in to provide recreation, to provide a church service, to provide other things that will keep the persons busy and out of trouble. In fact, we use family members quite extensively, as long as we're able to, to sit with people. The more we can get them to do that, to use those kinds of interventions, the less times that we might need to have someone in a restraint.

Some people think that when you put somebody in restraint, it releases the staff to go off and do other things. But I'm here to tell you that almost all of the coroners' cases involved with restraints are because restraints were used, not because they were not used. People get strangled. Restraints are not safe. There is an attitude out there that if we put the person in restraints, we can leave them for three or four hours and not bother coming back to them. These people strangle themselves, fall over backwards in the chair and damage themselves quite badly. They become incontinent, they get pressure sores, they get all kinds of things because of lack of attention.

If we just let them get up and move around and take-I mean, there is a risk to everything that we do in life. If we walk from that building to this building across the road, we take the risk that we could have a fall on some ice on the road or we could get run over by a car that comes around the corner too fast and we didn't see them.

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When we get people like that in hospitals, we tend to think we can protect them from every kind of misadventure that would be possible. We have to remember that old people at home, out in the community, fall at a tremendous rate. It's not going to be any different when they come into hospital. We can't prevent people from having injuries. All we can do is have the safest kind of environment we can and then let people take their risks.

You'd rather be told you can go ahead and cross the road if you want to, not let somebody tell you, "Oh no, don't cross the road. You might get hit." It's just the same as telling an old person, "Don't get up out of the chair. You might fall."

Dr Molloy: It's an issue of consent. It's an issue of what you choose to do. Do you choose to be tied into a chair in case you might fall, or do you choose to say, "Let me get up and walk. I recognize I can fall. It's OK, it's my choice or my family's choice"? That's all it is. And guess what? Most people would choose to take the risk of falling because it keeps them active, rather than tying them up in a chair. Studies show that by tying people up in chairs, you reduce their activity, you reduce their function, you increase incontinence, you increase depression, you increase frustration and you take away their dignity.

If you never want to have an accident, then stay in that chair for the rest of your life, because you're never going to fall. None of us would choose it, but the hospital, because of some weird kind of system, ties people up to protect them. In fact, it's counterproductive.

The Acting Chair: Thank you. We've used up the Liberal caucus time.

Ms Frances Lankin (Beaches-East York): I have a number of questions that flow from your presentation. First of all let me express, along with the rest of the committee, our appreciation of your coming and presenting to us today.

Yesterday in the Ontario Hospital Association presentation they pointed out that one of the problems in assessing a bill such as Bill 135 is that we lack data about the use of restraints in acute care hospitals in Ontario.

I have a couple of questions with respect to that. You have a study that was done in an acute care setting that is shocking, as far as I'm concerned, in the numbers that were revealed. Did the OHA take that information? Did it influence their policy or their procedures? Did they do anything with your study at all?

Dr Molloy: Ms Lankin, first of all we don't lack data. They don't know the data. There's a difference. The data are out there. Anybody with eyes can see it. Walk through our hospitals, look at the bedsides, look at the old people in restraints, look at the people in geri-chairs tied to railings, look at them tied with sheets by their groin; it's out there. The fact that they don't have data tells you the complete disregard they have for the issue. Why haven't they got data? Is that our problem? We have data; they're published. They're published in the Canadian journal.

Ms Lankin: Did those published data have any influence on hospital policy at the Ontario Hospital Association level?

Dr Molloy: They never contacted us. Nobody ever was interested. This Mr Bilodeau-look at it. It's not a major issue and it's going to be cost-I mean, this shows a complete lack of knowledge about this issue. These comments are frightening, actually.

Ms Lankin: One of the other things we heard is that there are some sectors where we do have data being collected, in the long-term-care sector, for example, and in the chronic care sector. The Ontario Hospital Association pointed out the statistics that are collected there show a decrease in the use of restraints in the chronic care hospital sector. It wasn't said, but the committee is left to wonder, would there be a parallel decrease in the use of restraints in the acute care sector over the same period of time?

Dr Molloy: The reason there's a decrease in use in long-term care is because there was legislation. The reason there was a decrease in use in the States was because of OBRA. Other countries have shown that legislation will reduce the incidence. Either you have it in your culture, in your philosophy, in your health care system or you have to legislate it. That's the reason it happened in the States, and we need it in the hospitals. That's why we're telling you, please don't drop the ball. Please don't defer this, please don't put this off for another five years, because in five years' time I'm not coming back. None of us is coming back. You won't have geriatricians.

This is a big issue for us. It's a fundamental human rights issue for older adults. Please don't drop it. The reason you have to get legislation is because we have failed with every other thing we've tried. There's no teeth to anything. It frightens me that even before you pass your legislation, the head of the OHA task force is telling you they're going to ignore it anyway. What complete disregard for the process we're going through. That's really not acceptable. This is what you're dealing with. You're going to tell me that these people are going to go ahead and follow up with this when they tell you they're even going to ignore legislation.

Ms Lankin: Dr Molloy, you made reference to the work you've done over the years and extensive travel in Japan, Australia and the United Kingdom. We heard from presenters yesterday, the Ontario PsychoGeriatric Association, Dr Janice Lessard and others, that in terms of international comparisons in Canada-not just Ontario but in Canada-we restrain patients at a much higher rate than the United States, and the United States is worse than the UK. I know one of the committee members yesterday asked for a bit more information about those comparisons. Based on your experience, can you tell me what the state of use of restraints is in other international jurisdictions?

Dr Molloy: I can tell you that in Ireland they have to request bed sides. If you want to put up a bed side, you have to go and request it.

Ms Lankin: Are these bed rails, when you say "bed sides"?

Dr Molloy: Bed rails, yes, the bed sides. In Ontario they're routine on every bed. Every time I come to see an old person-I can do this in my sleep-I have to put down the bed sides. Please, before you do this, walk into a hospital and look at all the old people sitting with the bed sides up. They're restraints. They can't get out. They try it crawl out the bottom and they fall. Nurses just routinely put up bed sides and then they're tied in. This was 10 o'clock in the morning when we did our study. At night, many of these people are tied in, but it's not everywhere; it's in pockets. Some hospitals, some units have no restraints. It depends on the people.

Ms Lankin: Could you tell me about what happens in the UK?

Dr Molloy: In Britain this doesn't happen.

The Acting Chair: Thank you, Ms Lankin. Government caucus.

Dr Molloy: It doesn't happen in Britain. It doesn't happen in Ireland. It doesn't happen in Australia. It just doesn't happen. They just don't use them. If you went into a British hospital, an Irish hospital or an Australia hospital looking for restraints, you couldn't find one.

Mr Joseph N. Tascona (Barrie-Simcoe-Bradford): Dr Molloy, can I ask you a couple of questions? Having been a graduate of McMaster University, I can understand a little bit about the medical community. My nephew went there and now he's at the U of T medical school. McMaster University is an outstanding institution.

Dr Molloy, I want to ask you a few questions about the role of a doctor in this legislation. You've read this bill. Under subsection (3) there are situations where the restraint can be used, and you've made a big point of the consent. In this process, the consent to use restraint is given by the patient or a substitute decision-maker. Also, one of the criteria is that the use of restraint is ordered in writing by a physician. Is there a situation where there's a dispute in here if there's no consent given but the doctor wants that restraint to be put forth? How do you deal with that in a situation where there is one exception? It says where it's "necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the patient or to others," that's one exception. It doesn't say who would make the decision, but I would presume it would be the physician who would make that decision.

Dr Molloy: We do it routinely in the health care system. If somebody gets acutely ill, we give emergency treatment. You could see where a physical restraint could be used as an emergency treatment, and it could be applied by a nurse or a doctor. That could be easily written into policy, that if the doctor's not available or can't come and do the assessment, the nurse could do it and then, as soon as possible, the doctor would become involved. These are technical issues. That could be done routinely, and I don't think anybody would argue with that. But I think the long-term, routine use of physical restraints is what we're getting at. Nobody argues that in an acute crisis, an acute delirium, an acute problem full stop-a person has a broken hip or someone wants to get out of bed-we can use physical restraints. We're not being unrealistic here. The routine use of physical restraints in our acute care system is what we're trying to get at.

Mr Tascona: Yes. That point really struck me when you talked about the situation of 10 o'clock onward where, if people are aged 70 and older, the physical restraints go on. Why is that happening? What's the philosophy behind that? You experienced it. I know this is a philosophy issue, because we heard that from the OHA too, in terms of clinical care, in terms of how you want to deal with this issue.

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Dr Molloy: I'll let Judy answer the second bit because she talks for nurses, but let me just tell you what it used to look like in some of our acute care wards. In our hospital we have really cleaned up our act now because of the work of Judy and committees that have really tried to do it. We used to go into the wards at 10 o'clock in the morning. Every old person is getting up out of bed. They are in the bed with the Posey on at night. They are literally tied into the bed and they've got the double bed sides up. In the morning, they take off the Posey restraint, which is the physical jacket and the ties, they take down the bed sides and they put them in the geri-chair. They are locked in so they can't get out of the geri-chair, and if they try to slide down, they get a sheet and tie them by the crotch to the thing so they can't slip down. Then the old person starts shaking the geri-chair. You've seen it, right? They are shaking the geri-chair. So what they do now is tie the geri-chair to the railing. You literally go into the ward and there's a lineup of people in geri-chairs tied by sheets to the railing. I've seen those literally in the last couple of months.

Mr Tascona: The question is, why are they doing that?

Dr Molloy: Because the nurses think this is normal care for old people.

Mr Tascona: What kind of care are they providing?

Dr Molloy: That's what's happening in our hospitals. That's what we're telling you. Judy could maybe comment on why nurses do this. Once you change their practice, they stop doing it. What we're telling you is, we've tried every way we can to stop it, but Judy will tell you why the nurses do it.

Mr Tascona: Judy, on that, you indicated you have a book. Are you going to provide that to the committee? Are you in a position to provide that to the committee?

Dr Molloy: We're going to leave it with you.

Mr Tascona: The other thing is, how is that distributed?

Ms Lever: People buy that. It's distributed if I or Dr Molloy go and do talks, wherever we're going to go. We both lecture quite extensively across Ontario; Dr Molloy certainly more than I do. It was published-a little article in this, Untie the Elderly. It's an American publication through Kendal Corp, who advertise this, and as a result of that advertisement, I got a lot of people from the US writing in to get booklets from me.

Mr Tascona: The availability is essentially through you or-

Dr Molloy: We did 1,000 copies about five or six years ago. We still have about 100 left. We're hoping to sell off the last hundred to do a next edition, because the next edition hopefully will have this legislation and the consent forms and the stuff we've learned in between. The money we get from it goes into a hospital fund, an education fund. How much do you have in the fund?

Ms Lever: I have about $1,500 in the fund now-

Dr Molloy: -to pay for the next edition.

Ms Lever: -to purchase things like these, to use for demonstration purposes and to go ahead with lectures. Plus, it will be the foundation for the next publication, which should probably be from a better press. This was McMaster press, so it is available through McMaster press, but in limited numbers.

Mr Tascona: Can I ask another-

The Acting Chair: I'm sorry, that's all the time we have.

Mr Tascona: Just one final comment: I appreciate the comments you're making that this is a philosophical issue in terms of clinical care; it's not a cost issue. We heard that yesterday too.

Dr Molloy: It's not.

The Acting Chair: Thank you, Dr Molloy and Ms Lever.

ONTARIO MEDICAL ASSOCIATION

The Acting Chair: Our next presenters are from the Ontario Medical Association. Please identify yourself for the purposes of Hansard. You have 15 minutes in which to make your presentation. You can use all or any part of it. If there is any time left over, we will open the floor to questions from the caucuses.

Dr Albert Schumacher: Good morning. I am Albert Schumacher. I'm president of the Ontario Medical Association and a family physician from Windsor. With me is Barb LeBlanc, from the OMA staff, who is here to assist me during the question and answer portion of this morning's presentation.

First of all, I'd like to commend Ms Lankin for raising this very important quality-of-care issue. Although we've come a long way in clinical practice in terms of dealing directly and openly with issues around patient constraint or patient restraint, it's helpful to revisit our approach from time to time in order to ensure that we're providing the best possible care for our patients and ensure a safe hospital environment for all patients, staff and visitors.

The OMA wishes to acknowledge up front the work that has been done by the Registered Nurses Association of Ontario and the Ontario Hospital Association since the introduction of this bill in November of last year. The OMA has been in close contact with each of these organizations and supports the general approaches being taken to improve our current practice regarding the restraints and the best possible practices in the future in this area.

In turning to the specifics of the legislation, I'd like to emphasize to the committee that the OMA strongly supports the drive to improve patient care underlying the proposed amendments, but we have a number of concerns about the implications of Bill 135 as it is drafted in terms of its effect on hospital care and medical practice.

In canvassing physicians' input for my remarks today, it became evident there was no clear consensus around medical versus non-medical restraint under the bill as written, and it would create some ambiguity in terms of actual practice. If I understand the thrust of Bill 135 correctly, I believe it would represent a significant change in practice for many hospitals. Based upon the input that the OMA has received, it seems to me we must take a more comprehensive approach to the restraint issue, which captures various types of restraints used in various circumstances. We need to start with clear definitions of both mechanical and chemical restraint, in addition to distinguishing between the use of restraints versus safety devices, in order to ensure that the work we are doing is meaningful in actual practice.

Traditionally, physicians' main role relating to patient restraints involves those restraints used for medical purposes. The use of non-medical restraint, where it occurs, is largely a matter left to the professional judgment of the registered nurses within the confines of the applicable hospital policies and procedures in each institution. In some hospitals, however, there is no distinction between medical and non-medical restraint. Unlike nurses, who are on the floor on a constant basis, physicians are not always on the floor, let alone in the hospital.

Given that the type of restraint addressed in Bill 135 is, by definition, unplanned and situational, it is more likely than not that a physician will not be on hand to personally assess the situation and order the restraint. In addition, the requirement that the restraint be ordered in writing implies that the written order must be in place before the patient can be restrained. If so, it is totally impractical. The OMA believes that legislation cannot substitute for clinical judgment and that explicit hospital policies outlining least-possible-restraints options would better serve Ontario and move towards a restraint-free hospital model.

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Bill 135 requires that a restraint be applied only by a person who is trained to do so and is also trained to identify and resolve situations that may otherwise require the use of a restraint. The OMA agrees that those who apply restraints must be trained and be able to do so. It is unclear, however, that the person applying the restraint would necessarily be trained to assess the alternatives to the restraint that are available and appropriate. The OMA believes that these two skill sets should be delinked.

Bill 135 states that restraints may be used for a maximum of two hours, unless a physician reassesses the patient and he or she gives a new written order. This would necessitate a direct, face-to-face encounter between the patient and the physician, according to the rules relating to assessment under the OHIP schedule of benefits. The burden upon physicians to come to the hospital every two hours, day or night, is unreasonable and has been the subject of negative comment by virtually every physician who has reviewed Bill 135. The OMA recommends that this section be reconsidered.

The bill further requires that the physician chart the order for the restraint and the types of less restrictive restraints considered by the physician and the reasons they were not specified in the order. This requirement is not consistent with accepted medical charting procedures. One of the most important things that a physician does in his or her daily practice is to make decisions about diagnosis and treatment. This decision-making is the essence of what is taught in medical school and what is required for good patient care. It is inappropriate and unrealistic, however, for physicians to be mandated to chart all of the considered but discarded options concerning care. This would make medical charting overly time-consuming and result in charts that are incomprehensible, which would ultimately have a negative impact on patient care. The OMA recommends that this section also be reconsidered.

Bill 135 requires each public hospital to have written policies and procedures with respect to restraint, to post them in all rooms and provide them to each patient on admission. The OMA believes that this is reasonable to mandate, that the board of trustees of every hospital be required to ensure that it has policies and procedures with respect to the use of restraints. We recommend that such a clause be added to regulation 965 under the Public Hospitals Act.

The OMA suggests that the section relating to dissemination of policy and procedures be rewritten to state that, "Every hospital shall provide a copy of its policies and procedures governing the use of restraints to any person upon request." This is a more practical approach than that outlined in Bill 135 and would also allow hospitals more flexibility with respect to communication on the subject. For example, some hospitals may wish to incorporate a comment relating to restraints in their patient bill of rights or in other standardized patient handouts.

In summary, the OMA believes that the issues relating to the use of restraints are more appropriately dealt with by hospitals and the professionals involved in their use, including nurses and doctors, than in legislation. We respectfully suggest, therefore, that the only legislative amendments the Public Hospitals Act requires at this time are an amendment to regulation 965 of the act to require each hospital to have a policy and procedures with respect to the use of restraints and a second clause that requires hospitals to make the policy available to those who wish to see it.

Again, the OMA does not want to minimize the need to address the issues that have been raised by Ms Lankin in Bill 135. On the contrary, we want to clearly support the development and the enforcement of comprehensive least-restraint policies in hospitals, along with the necessary education of the relevant professional staff.

I thank you very much for your attention. Barb and I would be pleased to use our remaining time to answer any of your questions.

The Acting Chair: We have about two or two and a half minutes for each caucus, beginning with Ms Lankin.

Ms Lankin: Thank you, Dr Schumacher. I appreciate you being here today on behalf of the OMA. I want to say first of all that a number of people have talked about the issue of the two-hour reassessment and I think there are some practical concerns that need to be addressed. I do think, however, we have to come to some decision about the question of accountability for ongoing use of restraints. One of the things we've heard in evidence is that too often when people are restrained for a particular situational occurrence, the restraints are left on. Part of that is policy and education, but there are also issues of accountability.

In your presentation, you talk about the non-medical restraint and where it occurs, and that it's largely left to the professional judgment of the registered nurse. In fact, much of what I've heard-not in testimony here but in work that I did in preparation for the bill-is when an elderly and perhaps frail individual presents himself at a hospital through emergency, what is pretty standard is a doctor's standing order on a chart of PRN: physical restraint if necessary. That follows that person through the system at that point in time. In fact, the nurses look to the chart to find if there is a PRN. There's actually a medical order that is being written, but by an emergency room physician who isn't there and involved in the ongoing care.

My question about it simply being medical versus non-medical is, what happens once a patient is restrained? What we've heard is that there's increased agitation, it leads to increased depression, to incontinence, to pressure sores, to increased use of medication of sedatives, increased cognitive impairment, increased motor skills impairment-the iatrogenic consequences of the use of restraints. Those are medical concerns that flow from the use of restraints. So to take the doctor, as we just heard in the previous presentation, out of the loop becomes very problematic in terms of the ongoing medical care of that patient. Could you address that for us?

Dr Schumacher: Sure. Barb, would you like to?

Ms Barb LeBlanc: You're right. A number of our physicians have raised that very issue. But the thing we were trying to get to here is that we probably need to talk about all the aspects of restraints. What we found, in parsing them out, non-medical versus medical, was that some hospitals handle them as a whole and others do it in the ways you've talked about, with the PRN order, and still others use nursing protocols. So we agree that we have to look at restraints taken as a whole. We need to consider their physical and medical impacts and we need to ensure that the entire team is part of the decision-making-nurses and doctors.

Mr Raminder Gill (Bramalea-Gore-Malton-Springdale): Thank you, Dr Schumacher, for being here this morning. One of the things that I think Dr Molloy implied earlier is that because of the restraint problems, a lot of people are getting out of geriatric practice or they're not going to be studying geriatrics any more. Do you have any comment on that?

Dr Schumacher: We don't have enough geriatricians with that specialty and interest, and I think that goes along with many of our manpower and human resources problems in the province. Certainly part of that is that we need more training spots and we need to encourage graduates to look in that area, especially with our aging population.

I can't specifically comment on the ebb and flow in that specialty today. I wasn't prepared to do that and I can't confirm his numbers. But certainly working with the elderly is difficult. Many of our other patients are difficult as well. I'm not sure where we are in that particular realm of the crisis.

Mr Gill: In your opinion, the restraint side of things is not affecting the so-called specialization, or do you think it might have?

Dr Schumacher: I think that the restraint problem is a significant problem in hospitals. Some institutions, as we heard, I think deal better with it than others. Certainly having a preprinted order sheet like on the tonsillectomy order sheet and having restraints on there is not in anyone's interests. I certainly agree that where you need to have an order for a restraint, especially in an acute care facility, it needs to be evaluated. Then, not necessarily in two hours but certainly the next day, it should be on the list to see what you can do to undo this and make other arrangements. So yes, it is a problem.

We just heard some of the solutions that have been tried in local hospitals, and certainly that effort needs to be there. As our population ages and as the people who are now left in hospital, as we do more as outpatients, are sicker, are frailer and have more complex problems, the issues surrounding confusion, whether transient or longer-term, are going to become a greater problem, especially for those hospitalized people.

Ms LeBlanc: There's one other thing as well. As the psychiatric hospitals begin to shift and more of that patient population moves into the general hospitals, certainly issues around restraint will be relative to them as well.

The Acting Chair: Thank you. We'll move to the Liberal caucus.

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Ms Caroline Di Cocco (Sarnia-Lambton): Just two quick questions. Can you give me a sense of what non-medical restraint is considered to be? Secondly, in the medical profession, how much time is spent in the actual discussion of this application of restraints or the whole issue of when it's used and why it's used and all of that? How much time is allotted in the education of the medical profession when it comes to this issue?

Dr Schumacher: I can only answer on a personal basis when I think back to medical school. I can remember spending a morning talking about restraining patients. Most of that dealt with the acute psychiatric patient, someone who was psychotic or hallucinating and delusional, in the proper management of them, to protect them and the staff and so forth. I would have to say, from memory, that's where most of it came. I can't comment on the current curricula.

To go back, on the issue of medical versus non-medical, when I first read it, I thought that non-medical must mean the surgical stuff we do in the OR when we strap someone to the table so they don't fall off when they're unconscious. So I think we need to define that better, because even there, there is some uncertainty about what our terminology is. I guess you could consider the bed rails a restraint, but in the unconscious patient, somebody who is coming out of anaesthetic, we restrain them so they don't pull out their tube or we tie their hand down so they don't pull out an IV line. There are a lot of those kinds of things that go along with certain aspects of operative and critical care which I don't think we're necessarily addressing here. I'm not the best person to define that.

The Acting Chair: Dr Schumacher and Ms LeBlanc, thank you very much for your presentation this morning.

REGIONAL GERIATRIC PROGRAMS OF ONTARIO

The Acting Chair: We now move to our next presenters, the Regional Geriatric Programs of Ontario. Good morning. Would you please identify yourself for the purposes of Hansard. You have 15 minutes in which to make your presentation. You can use any or all of it. If there is any time left over at the end, we will move to the three caucuses to ask questions.

Dr Rory Fisher: Thank you, Mr Chair. I am Rory Fisher. I am a geriatrician. I'm the chair of the Regional Geriatric Programs of Ontario. These are based at the five health science centres and they provide specialized geriatric services specifically for the frail elderly. Willie Molloy, my colleague, is the acting director of the Hamilton regional geriatric program. It's a little difficult following in Willie's footsteps. I think Willie has kissed the Blarney stone, and you have seen evidence of that.

I would like to make some comments generally about things, and look at the legislation specifically by putting it in the context of the overall situation.

I would like to start with a quotation from one of my colleagues, Don Redelmeier, in an article in the Canadian Medical Association Journal a week ago: "The hardest problems to solve in medicine are the ones where no one recognizes that anything is wrong." I think when it comes to the management of the frail elderly, that is the issue with our health care system at the moment. Our health care system really is predicated on the needs of providers and not on the needs so much of the clients. Now, with the demographics that we're facing of an aging population, the utilization in the health care system is focused more and more on the frail elderly, and that is going to increase both with the demographics and with the changing health care delivery system allowing us to do much more outside of the acute hospitals. It's these frail elderly who are the target population for restraints, and I think it's the tip of the iceberg of the problem that we're facing.

The population, as you know, is going to go up from 12% over 65 to 22% by the year 2041. The population that is increasing most rapidly is the old old, those over the age of 85. It is this population that has the highest incidence of cognitive impairment. The problems that we're facing in our acute hospitals are the frail elderly becoming confused from the acute problems that bring them into hospital. Then they are being restrained to provide, often, the treatment that was mentioned by my colleague from the OMA: to give them intravenous fluids or to put tubes in and things of that nature. So we really need to change the focus to prevent using some of these interventions and to manage them differently medically, and therefore decrease the need for the interventions which in turn lead to the people being restrained.

When it comes to this aging population, it's undoubtedly the single most significant challenge facing our health care system, and we're not approaching it. Obviously there has been a decrease in funding for our health care system, but just to replace that, doing what we've been doing in the past, isn't going to meet the changing needs of the population in the future. In the same way that wars are too important to be left to generals, I think the health care system is too important to be left just to health care providers.

I know many of my colleagues are concerned about legislation to change our practice. In the best of worlds, we would hope that we would take the lead and make the changes ourselves, but we haven't seen this happen. We see that most of the medical and hospital establishment is very conservative and, like the generals, usually fight the last wars. Our medical and hospital establishment is still working in the past on a different paradigm of health care delivery and they haven't focused, to change, on the needs of the patients they're dealing with now. That does need a sea change. We have to focus on making our hospitals friendly for the frail elderly, not friendly to the health care providers. In making them friendly for the elderly and introducing measures that would be preventive of delirium, we would decrease the need for restraints.

This can be done readily. There have been studies in the States by Inoye, who, looking at the prevention of delirium, was able to do that. If you prevent delirium, you'll prevent the need for restraints. Currently, at Sunnybrook we're looking at a model to try to develop processes to decrease the instance of delirium, and they have a care plan at the University of Alberta where we want to work with them to look at this. If you prevent this by developing the friendly environment, you will have the frail elderly more active. They'll be functionally more able, they'll develop fewer falls, less incontinence, as well as less delirium.

Unfortunately, our acute hospital is a hostile environment for frail elderly. There are studies which show a decrease in abilities of the elderly by just being in hospital, by the environment that we develop, which is focused on treating the disease, not the patient. So you may immobilize the patient and restrain them so you can get antibiotics into them, but by doing that you engender and induce the side effects and problems that result from restraints. So our whole focus on disease, rather than patients, fits into this concept of restraints.

Coming from a British background, it was a great shock coming to Canada 30 years ago. Some of my other colleagues, British geriatricians who came here, used to write papers and give presentations at that time, "Free in Britain, Restrained in Canada." It's a great regret that 30 years later, things have not got any better. Indeed, one sees them getting worse. Undoubtedly, the pressures on our health care system have really increased in recent years. I think that some of the effects of that are related to the use of restraints.

With regard to some of the specifics, I think the issues regarding the physician involvement are important, and obviously they have to be involved in decisions that are related to people who are their responsibility at that time. I think we have to be conscious of the practicalities that the OMA pointed out.

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At Sunnybrook we have had a good system of least restraint in action for some years and physicians aren't involved in the initiation of that, so that system has worked. Another thing that has happened at Sunnybrook has been that in moving to the least restraints they have moved to bring many sitters to come in and sit with the disturbed patient. This has been helpful in decreasing use of restraints, but it has also been very costly. So this humane intervention has had an adverse effect on the hospital's budget, which in turn has led to this initiative to look at getting at the cores of these restraints and trying to decrease them.

So, Mr Chairman, I would put this into an overall context. We are looking at a major democratic change. Our hospitals and our medical establishment have not altered their approach and still want to go on doing things in the same old way, and that's not going to work. I think we are going to need to be called to account by the Legislature as to how we're spending the taxpayers' dollars. In the United States that has had to take place, and maybe it will have to take place and this is just the first step of some other interventions to make us refocus on the needs of the frail elderly.

Thank you, Mr Chairman.

The Acting Chair: We have a little over a minute for each caucus. We'll begin with the government caucus.

Mr Joseph Spina (Brampton Centre): Thank you, Dr Fisher, for taking the time today to give us your opinions, your perspectives. The concurrent theme seems to be that, I gather, a lot of the issues consistently be one of attitude and loose policies, inconsistent policies. Like Ms Lankin's, my parents were in the same situation, with my late dad a couple of years ago and with my mother just most recently. Fortunately, they were in a northern Ontario hospital which displayed, I think, a very fair and consistent and compassionate policy.

Your colleague Dr Molloy indicated that there are few geriatricians at this point who are trying to deal with the situation and, as you clearly indicated, with the increasing demographics and the aging baby boom population, of course, this will put a far greater amount of pressure on these issues. Other GPs or GPs and specialists versus geriatricians, can that be resolved? Can legislation really change an attitude, I guess, is perhaps a more general question, and would that somehow help in having more geriatricians come on board over time if there was a legislated policy?

The Acting Chair: Mr Spina, it might help if we keep our questions short considering we have very little time. You've used up all your time for questioning. We move to the Liberal caucus, Monsieur Lalonde.

Ms Lankin: I just wonder, given the fact that Dr Fisher has come to be with us and to present his expertise today and given that the next presentation was cancelled, if we might extend this time just a little bit to allow him to answer Mr Spina's question?

The Acting Chair: If all the caucuses agree I think we can do that.

Interjection: Agreed.

Dr Fisher: The first question regarding the numbers of geriatricians: there are currently 68 in the province of Ontario. Our estimated current need is 170 and that's conservative. This doesn't take into account the aging population in future.

I think they're two separate issues. One is the need to increase the number of geriatricians and the other team members for specialized geriatric services, and we certainly need to do that.

There was an expert panel forum that met in November with stakeholders from around the province, called by the policy division of the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care. I understand recommendations from that regarding policy for specialized geriatric services for the province have gone forward to cabinet, so some resolution of that would be helpful.

There is the second issue of the services for all the elderly, as distinct from specialized geriatric services, and your point regarding family physicians and other health professionals is very well taken. We have to advance on two fronts: one is to provide the support and infrastructure and funding for the development of specialized geriatric services with geriatricians and others; and second is to change the whole environment of all health care professionals to attune them, educate them and put them in an environment which will focus on the needs of the frail elderly. We can do that by better training at an undergraduate level and also at a post-graduate level.

It is going to be very difficult, as Dr Molloy said, to attract physicians to look after the frail and elderly. If we have 20,000 more long-term-care beds put in place, I think it's going to be very, very difficult to entice physicians to provide the care to those beds.

Mr Lalonde: Thank you, Dr Fisher, for giving some of your time to explain to us at what point we are. It's getting to be very scary when you say that by the year so-and-so probably 22% of the people are going to be restrained, if I go with the average age that we'll have at that time.

If I just look at yesterday and one of the statements we had about the 80-year-old lady in Mississauga who had to be physically restrained, we tend to see that more and more of those people are going to be physically restrained because families are getting smaller, people are moving to Ontario with fewer relatives than we used to have, so we have no one to take care of those elderly in hospitals. It's getting to be scary-for myself, probably 15 years from now-the fact that we politicians know the rule that we might end up being physically tied up to a rail because we will not accept the restrictions that are going to be applied to us.

Could you tell us today what should be done immediately to try and eliminate or reduce the number of physical restraints that we see in hospitals?

Dr Fisher: Certainly this legislation would lead the way. I think we have to ensure that the hospitals develop standards and policies which will minimize the use of restraints, but also go further to introduce educational approaches that will minimize the need. In looking at the aging population, I don't think we necessarily have to be pessimistic. I think we're going to see a major part of the aging population that is going to be physically and mentally much healthier than the aging population in the past. We have the paradox, though, that we will have this minority of people who will be disabled physically and mentally who will require the support system, hopefully in the community rather than in hospitals.

I think we have to ensure that our hospitals are suitably designed and function to minimize the use of restraints and maximize the functionability of the frail elderly in those circumstances.

Ms Lankin: Thank you, Dr Fisher. It's delightful to see you again and I appreciate your coming here today. I am very concerned about the issues you raised with respect to the lack of professionalized geriatric services in the province and the lack of geriatricians and specialists. I had the occasion last fall in health estimates to speak rather extensively with the minister about this. I'm quite sure that the minister of the day recognized the concern and, through the expert panel that you referred to and some other measures that were implemented, was beginning to look at this. I assure you that I will follow up with and have a conversation with the new Minister of Health, because I think there is a looming crisis. I find it just horrifying. I know other members of the committee would love it if some time we had an opportunity to look just at this issue, because I think there is a major public policy question there.

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Specifically on the bill, I want to assure you that some of the details of the bill I recognize require amendment. I have sought the opportunity to work with the ministry, if the ministry in the end is accepting of the bill, to find the appropriate and acceptable wording.

I want to ask you to respond to some things that have been said, in particular by the Ontario Hospital Association but also by others. Mr Bilodeau, who presented yesterday, was quoted in the newspaper as having said to the media that he didn't see the use of restraints in acute care hospitals as a major problem. He talked before us about a lack of data, an inability to really know whether restraint use was common or increasing or decreasing. He also referred to the fact that where we do have data in chronic care hospitals, the numbers show that the use of restraints is decreasing. Others have told us that is because legislation was put in place governing long-term-care facilities and that, while you can't legislate attitude, you can legislate behaviour and often, through education that is accompanying that forced change in behaviour, attitudes will change. Could you tell us, is this a problem in our acute care hospitals? Are restraints being used or, as is my view, overused? Could you comment on the state of affairs?

Dr Fisher: I think there's no question that they are being overused. I think legislation introduced in the United States has led to a decrease in the utilization of restraints in acute care facilities and I would see it doing the same in this province. Again, one would prefer, in the best of all worlds, to do things differently. But if legislation is the way to start the change, then I think it would be better for the frail elderly of this province if we had legislation.

The Acting Chair: Thank you, Dr Fisher.

REGISTERED NURSES ASSOCIATION OF ONTARIO

The Acting Chair: Our next presenter will be the Registered Nurses Association of Ontario. You can begin any time.

Mrs Doris Grinspun: My name is Doris Grinspun and I'm the executive director of the Registered Nurses Association of Ontario. We are a professional association representing a broad spectrum of over 15,000 registered nurses who work in a variety of settings throughout the health care system. We welcome the opportunity to speak with you regarding Bill 135, An Act to amend the Public Hospitals Act to regulate the use of restraints that are not part of medical treatment.

The issue of restraints use has serious implications for patient rights and patient safety and is one in which registered nurses have a great deal of involvement and concern.

It is clear that the legislation proposed by Ms Lankin was structured with the intent to protect patients by setting very strict requirements for restraints use in hospitals. This is laudable. We applaud the intent of the legislation and the goal Ms Lankin has in mind. We support the intent of this proposed legislation and we commend Ms Lankin for bringing attention to this very critical health care issue.

It is the opinion of RNAO that the more effective legislative approach will be an amendment to regulation 965 of the Public Hospitals Act mandating hospitals to have a least-restraint policy. This approach will ensure that restraints in Ontario are used as a last resort and only to protect a patient's safety or the safety of others. It will also ensure that when restraints are necessary, the type or length of use will be the least restrictive possible.

The most effective way to facilitate that option of a least-restraint policy in all hospital settings is by ensuring the policy is grounded in evidence. Thus, it is RNAO's recommendation that such a policy be based on best-practice guidelines that have been developed through an exhaustive research review and the input of a broad range of experts in the field. It is also critical that all best-practice guidelines have directions for the practice setting integrated into the guideline itself. Only in this way will policies based on best-practice guidelines be actually utilized and sustainable.

The decision to place restraints on a patient is not made easily and in fact it is in general made by a nurse. It is a complex decision in which the health care provider must weigh the balance between patient rights, patient autonomy and patient safety. The decision-making regarding the use of restraints within the hospital sector lies squarely within the registered nurse's scope of practice, and thus we take full accountability and responsibility both ethically and otherwise for the issue and we take it very seriously.

RNAO very strongly believes that restraints must never be used to resolve system and human resources failures-for example, staffing shortages-nor should restraints ever be used for the convenience of the care provider. Adequate staffing, appropriate skill levels and educational support-for example, for alternatives to the use of restraints-are essential to high-quality care and are, as such, critical components of any best-practice guideline development.

Let me refer to three specific issues that we are especially putting emphasis on. One is accountability, the second is the decision regarding use of restraints and the fact that it lies within the nursing scope of practice, and the third is the utilization of the best-practice guideline as the basis for a least-restraint policy.

Accountability: We are strongly supportive of the underlying theme of accountability evident in the proposed legislation. Accountability to those who are receiving care and their families must be at the core of any legislative initiative. There are several types of accountability that must be considered in order to ensure that the use of restraints optimizes patient safety and well-being.

First of all, the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care is accountable for ensuring that adequate funding flows to the delivery of care within our health care system. The ministry must also ensure the development and implementation of standards that will enable all Ontario residents to receive high-quality care. The support shown by the Ministry of Health for the best-practice guideline development for nursing in several clinical areas is an example of this accountability. I'm referring here to the best-practice guideline project initiative funded by MOH to RNAO, and I will speak more about that later.

The hospital and other health care agencies-because we do not think this issue is only a problem in the hospital sector-should be accountable for implementing a least-restraint best-practice policy based on best-practice guidelines in their facilities, as well as ensuring adequate staffing to deliver high-quality and safe patient care so that restraints indeed are never used as a replacement for staffing.

The individual care provider is equally accountable. For registered nurses this means incorporating the appropriate care standards into our practice. In the use of restraints this means utilizing the College of Nurses of Ontario's Guide on the Use of Restraints and we also recommend the utilization of best-practice guidelines that we do not have at this point on a least-restrictive practice.

Let me also address the issue of the fact that restraints do not require a doctor's orders, nor should they require a doctor's orders, but is actually a component of the nursing scope of practice. It is the nurse who has the greatest contact with and knowledge of the person. To decide when you need the restraints, not only do you need to know the clinical condition, you also need to know many ethical and personal characteristics of that patient and also the wishes of that family when a patient cannot put forward his or her own wishes. It is the nurse who has the most knowledge of the comprehensive needs of that individual. Even if there are orders in place, it is the nurse who decides which type of restraints to put on and how long to put them on and who actually monitors the use of restraints in the long run. Doctors don't come every 15 minutes to change orders or to look at the restraints. Therefore we want to take full accountability for the practice and we also want to have best-practice guidelines for that practice.

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Let me tell you a bit about what we mean by best-practice guidelines and what we have done with the 17 best-practice guidelines that are either already in the final stages of evaluation in this province or in the development phase. These are guidelines which have three types of recommendations: substantive recommendations, which deal with the clinical aspects of practice; contextual recommendations, which deal with the recommendations related to the context of the environment in which the nurses practice-issues like staffing patterns, continuity of caregivers etc are part of the contextual recommendations; and also educational recommendations, which in the case of restraints will be the ethical and clinical issues entailed in the decision to put restraints on a patient or, more importantly, the alternative methods and approaches nurses can use so there is less need for the use of restraints. That's what the best-practice guideline will do, and then you use that as a baseline for a least-restraint policy which, in our view, we absolutely should have as a regulatory change.

In summary, we are recommending:

That regulation 965 of the Public Hospitals Act be amended to mandate all hospitals to establish and implement a least-restraint policy. This policy should affirm that restraint use is within the scope of nursing practice. Otherwise, it will not really be effective.

That the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care fund the development of a least-restraint best-practice guideline. The guideline will serve as the basis for hospitals to develop their least-restraint policy, and we will be pleased to either lead, as we have done with 17 other guidelines, or participate in such an initiative.

Third, that all hospitals be required to develop and implement a least-restraint policy that is based on the least-restraint best-practice guidelines. Let me tell you, several hospitals in the province do have least-restraint policies that are being put into implementation now. But we are saying all hospitals require that, and unless we have a regulatory change, probably it will not happen.

That hospitals should be made accountable for putting in place the necessary structures and supports to enable nurses and other health care providers to exercise sound clinical and ethical judgment in implementing the least-restraint policy. This includes adequate staffing and continuity of caregivers; the latter is essential when you want to use less restraints.

Fifth, that a comprehensive approach to education in both hospitals and nursing education programs be implemented to support ethical and clinical decision-making. The topics should include patient rights, patient safety, restraint utilization, alternative approaches and least-restraint policies.

Sixth, measures should be taken to improve working conditions and develop strategies that respond to nursing human resource needs in hospitals. Restraints are not the solution for system problems or deficiencies in human resources.

In conclusion, the RNAO acknowledges Ms Lankin's outstanding support for the most vulnerable patients in our hospitals today and her personal commitment to instituting changes in our health system that support patient rights. RNAO believes that all hospitals in Ontario must develop and implement a least-restraint policy, supported by best-practice guidelines, education and research in order to deliver the highest quality of care that meets the needs of all patients. We thank you for the opportunity to dialogue with you. I will be happy to answer questions.

The Acting Chair: We have about 45 seconds for each caucus, beginning with the Liberal caucus.

Mr Lalonde: Just quickly, according to the fourth paragraph of your statement here, would you say that restraint is used because of a shortage of staff at the present time or a shortage of funding?

Mrs Grinspun: I would suggest that on some occasions that's the case, and I would suggest very strongly to you that that would be a problem for the nursing profession and for the nurses who are engaged sometimes in those practices. Nurses are caught in very terrible situations. For six years I was a director of a large institution in this province and I had very heavy discussions with colleagues in the practice setting. When they are caught in a situation that because of staffing issues they may need to use restraints, even if it's not very restrictive restraints, like side rails, if you are following ethically what's best for the patient and clinically what's best for the patient, not only ethically but clinically-we do know that restraints exacerbate behavioural problems. So it's not a solution; it's a band-aid approach. It should not be used for staffing issues.

Ms Lankin: Thank you. I appreciate very much your presentation. I think the issue of professional accountability and a doctor's order versus a nursing order is a very important one for us to grapple with, and I have to admit to you that I'm flummoxed by the differing advice that we are given. I think your recommendation that it is a whole-team, multidisciplinary approach is what we would want to see, and maybe some of the best practices and protocols will address that. I also want to indicate that I have written to the minister in support of RNAO being funded to do a best-practice study in this area. I think that would be very valuable.

In two parts of your presentation you make reference to the fact that we know the use of restraints increases in the evening and during the night. We've heard many people say that it is not an issue of staff convenience that restraints are used. We know there are also clinical reasons why there might be increased use or perceived need at nighttime. Someone referred to the sundowner effect in terms of cognitive impairment.

Mrs Grinspun: Correct.

Ms Lankin: But this is a phenomenon that you've experienced and that RNAO accepts, that there is-I'm going to use a value-laden word-an overuse of restraints, and that this overuse occurs even more frequently during the evening and nighttime in our acute care hospitals?

Mrs Grinspun: Yes, there is a higher utilization-and that's well documented in the research in other countries as well-of restraint on evenings and nights and probably weekends too. But evenings and nights is specifically because of a combination between exacerbated behavioural and cognitive impairment and the impact not only with sundown but sometimes some of the medications that we give that we don't give them at appropriate times, like diuretics etc, and then the combination between that and decreased resources for sure.

That's not to say that always as a blank statement you need to hugely increase the resources in a unit. It depends which type of unit you are dealing with. If you are dealing with an ICU, for example, you have the same type of human resources in the evening and night as in the day, because of the type of care that patients require. Most likely in a unit with patients who suffer from Alzheimer's or other conditions of dementia, you should have similar patterns during the day versus during the evening, unless you have a lot more activities done during the day. But you probably should have higher numbers in the evening and night because we know that the behavioural conditions and cognitive disturbances tend to exacerbate. We know that not only in the hospital sector. So that is the case, and that's something we need to attend to.

I do not think that staffing alone will resolve the issue of the use of restraints. That's why we are extremely supportive of the change to regulation and the need to develop a best-practice guideline that will then support the development of a least-restraint policy in the hospital sector. It is a combination of staffing, practice behaviours and knowledge, and that's why for us the issue of education is hugely important, so that people receive the proper support to make ethical and clinical judgments. There are also many changes today compared to 20 years ago, not only clinically but also ethically. Twenty years ago families would prefer that the person not fall and that the person be restrained. Today we are a lot more respectful of patients' rights, and I applaud that.

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So it's a combination of many factors. I think that's why it's so important not just to do the least-restraint policy, which is one component that will mandate that we have that, but that it be based on the best-practice guidelines that get updated every three to five years based on the most current knowledge to date. Otherwise, you will have a problem again in 15 years, even with the regulations and the staffing.

Knowledge changes, knowledge of how to approach-I don't want to say "treat" because behavioural conditions, and it's an area of expertise of mine, is an approach; it's not a treatment. Those things change and there is a lot that we need to learn and maintain our practice for all disciplines, to really decrease the use of restraints and enhance the quality of life of people.

The Acting Chair: The government caucus?

Mr Gill: Thank you for your presentation. It's interesting that in terms of health care delivery in hospitals, doctors and nurses are the major players. Both of you this morning, the OMA and the RNAO, have said-unless you consulted each other before you made the presentation.

Mrs Grinspun: No, but we were pleased that they named us.

Mr Gill: That's good. Instead of Bill 135, you're both stating that perhaps the Public Hospitals Act, regulation 965, should be amended. Both of you have said that there is no need, basically, for the act but there is a need to address the restraints through education, through least-restraint guidelines. You're not saying that we need the act but that we need to amend reg 965.

Mrs Grinspun: I was not at the presentation of my colleagues from the OMA, so let me refer to why they would choose this approach versus the other and I think it will help you to understand if it's similar to the OMA's. We certainly are asking for a change to the Public Hospitals Act and its regulation 965. Let me be very clear about that. Without that, you will not have permanent changes in practice. The reason we chose a regulation versus the legislative change is basically because of my explanation of the best-practice guideline, because you will be updating that regulation every three to five years as things change, from ethical knowledge, from patients' rights knowledge, from clinical approaches. That's the beauty of a best-practice guideline. Also because it incorporates more than having a doctor's order or having a nurse's order, for that matter; it incorporates the issue of the clinical knowledge through substantive recommendations, contextual knowledge through the contextual recommendations and what types of models of care delivery you need to have patients less confused and therefore needing less restraints, and the education, on-site education, to health care providers for best-practice guidelines. That's our rationale for that.

Mr Gill: Considering that, Mrs Grinspun-

The Acting Chair: Thank you, Mr Gill. Your time is up; I'm sorry. Mrs Grinspun, thank you very much for appearing before the committee this morning.

Mrs Grinspun: You are very welcome.

CONCERNED FRIENDS OF ONTARIO CITIZENS IN CARE FACILITIES

The Acting Chair: Our next presenter is the Concerned Friends of Ontario Citizens in Care Facilities. I would remind the caucus members that if they wish to have an answer from the presenters, with the severe time allotments, it might be necessary to keep your questions brief.

Good morning. Please identify yourselves for the purposes of Hansard. You can begin at any time. You have 15 minutes in which to make your presentation. You can use all or any part of it. If there is any time left over, the members of caucus would like to ask you questions.

Ms Lois Dent: Thank you. My name is Lois Dent. I'm the president of Concerned Friends of Ontario Citizens in Care Facilities. With me, I have our recent past president, Freida Hanna.

Concerned Friends is a volunteer consumer organization dedicated to improving the health care in long-term-care facilities in Ontario. We have been in existence for 25 years and we have consistently advocated for policies and procedures that address the problems confronting residents in long-term-care facilities.

About seven years ago, we participated in meetings with the Ministry of Health regarding new standards and criteria for long-term-care facilities. These standards included policies governing the use of restraints. We believe the policies put in place at that time have been very effective in reducing the incidence of injudicious and abusive or even dangerous use of restraints. We're aware and we know of instances where these policies are not always followed, but with the written standards in place staff can be cited for non-compliance. In our experience, it has helped not to eliminate but to reduce the incidence of abuse. So we support the standards and criteria for the use of physical restraints in long-term-care facilities. For your information, we distributed a copy of the regulations in the long-term-care system.

It's clear to us there is a need for similar legislation to cover the use of restraints in acute care hospitals. It needs to be ensured that they are used only when necessary to protect the patient or others from serious injury. There needs to be a written doctor's order and it needs to be ensured that consent has been obtained, except in emergency situations.

We strongly support the requirement that the staff applying the restraint be properly trained, that the patient be monitored and have his or her position changed regularly, and there must be full documentation.

In summary, we endorse Bill 135 because it meets the need for a written policy on the use of restraints in hospitals. We note that the amendment speaks only to physical restraints. It doesn't address the use of chemical restraints, which is an area that may also need consideration.

I'd like to just add a personal experience that I had when I was in hospital myself. The bed beside me was empty. During the night or late part of the evening, an elderly woman was brought in. She had fallen and broken, I believe, her hip and had had the required treatment. She was very agitated and upset. She didn't seem to speak English. She was moaning and they couldn't seem to communicate with her. She was put in the bed next to me and restrained. The nurse said that was to keep her from pulling at her bandage. She tossed and turned and moaned all night long. At about 6 o'clock the next morning or early the next morning, a nurse specialist-and I'm not sure exactly what a nurse specialist is-came in, went to her bed, took off her restraints and spoke to her calmly. It turned out she could speak English. When she was reassured, she understood. She was able to tell this nurse the name of her son so they could contact her son, and she was fine from then on. Why couldn't this have happened when she was first put into this room? If somebody had taken the time to speak to her, to reassure her, to make sure that she could communicate with someone, she probably would not have needed to have spent that terrible night under restraint.

Just by chance I happened to see this about five years ago, so it must happen a lot. We do know that having legislation doesn't completely solve the problem, but it goes a long way to making people aware of it and making changes. It's a start. Thank you.

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The Acting Chair: Thank you very much. We have two minutes per caucus, beginning with the NDP caucus.

Ms Lankin: I truly appreciate your coming forward. I recall the work you did seven years ago, when the Ministry of Health was doing its consultations on changes in the long-term-care sector, and the role you played in the recommendation for a legislative protection or a legislative regulation around this issue of the use of restraints in long-term-care facilities.

We heard, for example, from the OHA yesterday and then a chronic care facility, that numbers show there has been a decrease in the frequency of use of restraint. Other experts have told us that it is directly related to the fact that there is a legislative base on which good policies have been built and good education has been done. You've alluded to the fact that you think there has been an impact as a result of that. Could you just elaborate on that a little bit more from the perspective of your organization? Do you have fewer complaints about restraints? How are you aware that the legislation has had a positive impact?

Ms Dent: We get calls from family members and sometimes residents of long-term-care facilities. We used to get more complaints-I think maybe you would corroborate that-about restraints. They used to use them much more frequently than they do now. We still do sometimes-it hasn't completely solved the problem-and sometimes they are absolutely necessary. But it's interesting that the number of concerns we hear has substantially decreased.

Mr Jerry J. Ouellette (Oshawa): First of all I'd like to congratulate Ms Lankin for having the OHA enter into that review policy, their commitment the other day, that they had a chance to do that. I have a couple of quick questions.

We've heard a number of presenters recommend who should decide whether a patient should be restrained or not. Do you have any idea? Should it be the nurses, should it be the physicians who determine that or do you have a position on that?

Ms Dent: I don't think we're qualified to say that.

Ms Freida Hanna: The families have to be consulted in long-term care. Families are consulted and sometimes families want the resident restrained. It's up to the staff to talk to them and give-

Mr Ouellette: Do you think, though, that the family should be the final ones who make the decision, or should it be the physician's decision, or should it be nurses who make that decision?

Ms Hanna: It has to be with the information shared with the family, if there is a family member. Some residents do not have family, therefore it has to be a nurse's or a doctor's decision.

Ms Dent: But consent is very important here. I think we need to have consent-

Ms Hanna: In the hospital, I would think.

Ms Dent: Yes.

Ms Hanna: Consent of the patient.

Mr Ouellette: I have another quick question, if there is any time remaining. I know Mr Spina has a question. Are you familiar with the crisis intervention training that was mentioned yesterday by one of the presenters? If so, do you believe it's successful in helping to determine whether nurses are able to go out to assist? It was a training program that was brought forward that was mentioned.

Ms Dent: In hospital?

Mr Ouellette: Yes.

Ms Dent: No.

Mr Ouellette: Do you know of any other training programs that are available?

Ms Dent: Specifically around restraint?

Mr Ouellette: Yes.

Ms Dent: I'm not familiar with what is available, but I notice it says in this bill that it's important that the people administering the restraints be trained in how to do this. I think this is a very important part of the bill. Nurse practitioners, of course, are another possibility here, that they have additional training. It may be that they would have the qualifications to issue an order, as well as physicians, but that isn't an area that I think we're really able to comment on.

Mr Ouellette: Yes. One of the presenters mentioned the crisis intervention training and other groups have not heard of it. That may be one of the problems, that there is training available out there, according to the presenter, that other groups and organizations haven't even heard about.

The Acting Chair: Mr Spina may have another question, but he'd have to use the Liberal time, and I don't think the Liberals want to give that to him.

Ms Di Cocco: It's through discussion with Frances Lankin that I certainly became aware of this whole issue of patient restraint and I have to say that it's one of those areas that I truly was not at all educated on. I had no idea. I had assumed that these things are all in place and that there's a criterion of sorts or some kind of value judgment that's made very, very-how do I say it?-thoughtfully before any of this is used. But obviously, from some of the testimonies that I've heard, that isn't the case.

You talked about a case, a personal situation that you witnessed, I guess. Did you hear a reason as to the rationale for restraining the person who was there? I'm quite curious.

Ms Dent: The reason was that they were afraid. Because she was so upset and agitated she was pulling at her bandages and they wanted to prevent her from pulling off the bandages.

Ms Di Cocco: And you have said that-I mean it's through your advocacy, I guess, that long-term care has some sort of policy in place in this regard. Can you just elaborate for me on the difference between before your advocacy and what you see now in long-term care and the fact that there is legislative regulation?

Ms Dent: There are very specific standards. There are about 19 or 20 points-criteria-that need to be met in long-term-care facilities when restraints are applied. It's very clear who has the responsibility, who does it, for how long, that they must have training and that they must use the least restrictive restraint. This is because it's there in writing that if a family member or someone sees that restraint is being used inappropriately they have a place to go. They can go and complain and it has to be rectified, because it's there in writing.

Ms Di Cocco: So there's a process of asking why this is happening or there's a process of accountability, I guess?

Ms Dent: Yes, exactly. The accountability is right there.

The Acting Chair: Ms Dent, Ms Hanna, thank you very much for your presentation this morning.

RUNNING TO DAYLIGHT FOUNDATION

The Acting Chair: Our next presenter is the Running to Daylight Foundation. Would you please identify yourselves for the purposes of Hansard. You have 15 minutes in which to make your presentation; you can use all or any part of it. If there's any time left over we'll ask the members of the caucuses to split the remaining time.

Ms Jane Hawtin: My name is Jane Hawtin. Some of you know me as a member of the television/radio broadcasters, but I'm here as an honorary board member for the Running to Daylight Foundation, the Ben Globerman Memorial. With me is Sharon Deutsh, who is a parent representative with the foundation. You may want to hear some of her comments because she has the hands-on knowledge of what's happening in some of the hospitals where she goes in to try and help the patients.

Let me just say how happy I am to be here to support Frances Lankin and her bill. I am representing the foundation so I'm going to stick to the script, because otherwise I'll start yakking the way I usually do and I don't think that would help anybody.

This foundation was created in memory of Ben Globerman of Ottawa. Its purpose is to provide elderly persons in Toronto and Ottawa with patient representatives. These representatives work toward ensuring that the elderly receive access to the highest-quality care, whether it's in hospital or in the community. As I said, Sharon is one of those patient representatives.

The foundation was formed by Mr Globerman's family as a result of what they believe was treatment that did not meet acceptable standards of care, treatment that they feel did not meet such standards simply because Mr Globerman was elderly, because he had a multiplicity of health issues and because, in the words of the family, "the system just felt he wasn't worth it."

I came to the foundation because of my own experience when my father went to hospital at age 86 after being very healthy, but he declined quite quickly. Ironically, the restraint issue wasn't one, but now in retrospect I realize it should have been because my father was also restrained because he had been put on an inappropriate medication in the incorrect amount which was causing him hallucinations. Luckily, with our family we had the economic resources that we could simply be there 24 hours a day, which meant that we insisted on these restraints being taken off.

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The real issue and why I came to this organization was because of my experience of four days in a row being pressured-and "pressure" is the right word-by a doctor to put a "Do not resuscitate" order on my father. I'm a pretty assertive person. I was still made to feel guilty that I was not willing to put that on, because I really felt that he was going to have a chance to rally, which he did. We have to ensure that everyone gets the right quality of care.

But our experiences, both the Globermans' and mine, are not unique. Since the launch of the foundation in October 1999, Running to Daylight has received many e-mails, telephone calls and letters from families, not only in Ontario but right across the country, telling their own horror stories. These include concerns about DNRs, patients with stroke-like symptoms being denied CT scans, patients being starved to death, antibiotics being withheld from patients experiencing pneumonia and elderly patients with congestive heart failure being abandoned on wards for days.

The humiliation and brutality that Frances Lankin's mother went through is symptomatic of a larger issue. It's symptomatic of a health care system that too often places little or no value on the elderly, and discounts their dignity, their intelligence and their right to have the same commitment to care at 80 that they would receive if they were 18.

The foundation's concern is that ours is quickly becoming a health care system that too often lacks compassion. It rushes to judgment, it writes people off, and an elderly person's prognosis is being based only on their diagnosis and has nothing to do with their emotional, psychological or spiritual makeup. Ladies and gentlemen, this is ageism at its ugliest.

The majority of our health care professionals are skilled and caring. They are people who are dedicated to helping their patients recover, but there is a strata within the system that doesn't meet these expectations, and it is this that we have to take measures to guard against. Whether the horror stories represent 10% or 20% or 30% of what is actually happening to the elderly who are admitted to hospital, anything more than zero is unacceptable. Everyone who uses our health care system, which was once thought to be the best in the world, must have the chance to battle their illness and optimize their chances for survival and recovery. Everyone in the province of Ontario, irrespective of their age, gender, medical history or presenting problem, must be guaranteed, without reservation, access to the highest-quality health care, and that includes not being restrained according to the whim of the service provider.

We have heard in previous statements over the past few months about the relationship between the cutbacks in nursing and other health care resources and the inappropriate use of restraint. We believe that this is no doubt the case and, while not an excuse for such behaviour, it is something that needs to be looked at.

How then can we, as citizens living in one of the progressive countries in the world and with such a health care system that should be model for all, ensure that people like Frances Lankin's mother never have to go through that again? The answer lies not only in the passing of Bill 135 but in the establishment of standards for all health care practices, in the appropriate funding for organizations to meet those standards, in the establishment of rigorous monitoring mechanisms to determine if those standards have been met and in the implementation of swift and effective remedial measures if they aren't.

The Running to Daylight Foundation believes that the fact that the legislation outlined in Bill 135 has never existed for public hospitals is symptomatic of a larger issue. It is symptomatic of a system that too often lacks accountability to those who use health care services and to their families. It is symptomatic of a system that is preoccupied with meeting financial targets rather than medical ones. In reality, people don't judge the health care system by a 10% increase in spending, or 20% or any other percentage. The increase doesn't mean anything. All the patient knows is that if he or she has to suffer the pain and humiliation of waiting 10 hours for a staff doctor in an ER, they're not going to care that they were triaged by a nurse within 15 minutes.

What the average person on the street wants is a guarantee that when they or their loved ones receive care, that the services will be available in a clinically appropriate manner and time, that the services will be responsive and delivered with compassion, concern and courtesy, and that they will not be the brunt of apathy or insensitivity, even if the provider is a victim of depleted resources or has some kind of personal bias.

To those who would argue that Bill 135 is too intrusive or burdensome, that it micromanages the health care system, that it's going to cost too much or might be better accomplished through education or self-monitoring, let me say this: we have to be taking every opportunity we have to augment the intent of the Canada Health Act through legislation and standards. This is not the time to weaken our foundation for national medicare but to strengthen it. Wherever we find the flaws, we have to ensure that the solutions are entrenched in laws and standards, and if such standards result in greater financial commitment, so be it. We would argue that it's a price that most of us would be willing to pay, especially after you go through this experience with someone who is elderly. We would not be adjusting the standards to what we are willing to finance but rather adjusting the finances needed to meet the standards.

We have some problems: the cutback of approximately 10,000 nursing positions and the crisis we face in being able to hire them back; the number of elderly people who are having to experience the gruelling schedule of nighttime dialysis-they aren't getting home until close to midnight; many patients are having to travel to the United States for cancer treatment, and suffering devastating trauma and loneliness because their families can't afford to go with them. The many horror stories that our foundation has documented are happening, not because we have too many safeguards built into the system but because we don't have enough.

There's another point. Why would we expect the health care providers to regulate themselves if that hasn't worked in the past? The guidelines for the use of restraints were put forward by the Ontario Hospital Association in the early 1990s-guidelines: up to the discretion of the hospital to implement and monitor-and the research shows the guidelines or policies are not being observed or not monitored, not everywhere.

The implementation of legislation and standards should be viewed not as micromanaging; the implementing of legislation and standards is about management and accountability for the health care system. Legislation standards must exist to manage the managers. While it's true that the responsibility for guaranteeing access to the highest-quality care is a responsibility for all of us-the funders, the planners, the service providers, the professional associations, the consumers, the media-the ultimate responsibility has to lie with the government. The buck has to stop somewhere.

What happened to Frances Lankin's mother is a travesty. We must take the issue very seriously and resolve it quickly, effectively and without reserve. It's not about politics; it's about humanity and about morality.

We urge you to lend your support to Bill 135 in the spirit in which it's been formulated. The line between being well and being ill in hospital is as thin as a razor's edge. Let us not forget that any one of us in this room could have experienced what Ms Lankin's mother did, and without adequate legislation and standards established, we could encounter it in the future. Augmented by education and training, such legislation and standards are the way to a brighter future.

The Acting Chair: We have approximately one and a half minutes per caucus for questions. I would remind the members to keep your questions short.

Ms Lankin: Mr Chair, sorry; once again I want to indicate to members of the committee that I will be moving a motion that I think will eliminate the need for us to resume this afternoon. So perhaps we might be able to add a few minutes on at this point and allow committee members to ask a couple of questions of the presenters.

The Acting Chair: There would have to be unanimous consent.

We'll give you two more minutes. We begin with the government caucus.

Mr Tascona: I'll be brief because I want to deal with Ms Lankin's motion on this. We've heard from a broad section of the community with respect to this issue. Obviously it's important that this issue has been raised, and we appreciate that. That's part of the reason we have public hearings, to get input on everything.

What we've heard this morning is a philosophy in terms of how you provide care. It's not a cost issue; it's a philosophy issue on how you provide clinical care. That's what we're hearing from the experts, the doctors and other people who are legal practitioners. They never raised it as a cost issue. So I want to put that forth to you in terms of the health care system. It's more whether you know the legal right, whether you apply it properly in terms of what health care is going to be provided, the issue of consent and the issues that have been raised in the bill.

I'm just making a comment. I really don't need any response to that. That's what we've been hearing throughout the process and certainly Hansard is available on that. So I would urge you to read that in terms of what we've been hearing here today.

Ms Hawtin: Am I allowed to respond to that?

The Acting Chair: Of course.

Mr Tascona: I'm not looking for a response on that, but if you wish.

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Ms Hawtin: Sharon may want to respond to it. I'm aware of that, but I don't think a lot of the people in the field would necessarily agree with that, especially if you see what happens at nighttime. Restraints are used more often at night when there are fewer nurses available.

The reason we've formed this foundation and the reason we feel patient representatives are needed is that not everyone can afford, the way we could, to have someone there 24 hours a day when someone goes to hospital. In a lot of cases that's needed, and part of that is because of cutbacks.

Mr Tascona: We're not hearing that. I want to be clear with you. It's been a clinical care issue in terms of whether you respect the rights of the individual or not. I'll share that with you. I'm not going to debate it with you.

The Acting Chair: Members of the Liberal caucus.

Ms Di Cocco: I'm going to start off by agreeing to disagree with those comments. I have heard it is an attitude of how we provide care. On the other hand, it's a reality that if you don't have personnel dealing with that needed care of watching over the patient-and I agree, I hear this a lot-people who have the means can have somebody there all the time, either their family or whatever. I think it's a combination of both. It is the attitude of how we provide services, and maybe you can either expand on it or respond to it. It's both the attitude and also this sense of just fixing dollars rather than the need of personnel. Yes, there is a shortage of nurses and there is a shortage of health care workers. That's been augmented, I believe, by policy and for other reasons. Again, we're not here to debate it, but I believe that's the reality.

You've obviously formed a group for a specific reason. Can you tell this committee if you've seen changes? This bill I hope is a change for the better in how we provide services, but can you tell me if you have seen changes in the last four or five years that have impinged maybe on the quality of health care with the elderly in this province?

Ms Hawtin: Sharon is better able to answer that.

Ms Sharon Deutsh: I think there have been changes over the last four or five years, and maybe even longer, actually, but there definitely is less staffing available out there. However, elderly people are being shortchanged. I think that has increased over the years where, if you have a 30-year-old person coming in versus an 80-year-old, that 30-year-old will more than likely get better care versus an elderly person.

A lot of the cases I have dealt with are elderly patients who have gone into the hospital in an acute care setting, sometimes in long-term care, and they have either been overmedicated or underassessed. There's been very little communication that's taken place between the physician and the family and the patient, if the patient is able to communicate-sometimes they're not at that level-and these patients are being pushed to the side, so to speak.

Ms Hawtin: You had a letter from a family member who said they felt that their father would have starved to death if you had not been there.

Ms Deutsh: Yes.

Ms Hawtin: Because he wasn't being properly fed.

Ms Deutsh: In this particular case, the gentleman was being overmedicated to the point that I guess you could compare that to being physically restrained. The trays would be brought in in the morning, put on the table and then they'd come back in, he wouldn't have touched them and the trays were taken away at that time. Then, later on, when the sister was able to come in, did not have the finances or the resources to have somebody at this patient's bedside, she would attempt to feed him, and he was either too sedated to swallow his food or, if he was a little bit less sedated, he would gobble it up like he hadn't seen any food all day. This is a very common situation that is arising in the hospitals.

Ms Lankin: I want to say to you, Mr Tascona, that throughout this I have attempted to present the information that I've uncovered in looking at this as a systemic problem that has existed for many years in the province. I think that it is fair comment to say that whenever there are stresses and strains in the system, something of this nature might be exacerbated and we have heard that. I have to disagree with you in terms your assessment of all we've heard. I think the RNAO presented in their view that in part there is a relationship to staffing levels. That for me is not where we as a committee need to start because this issue, I think highlighted by the foundation that's presenting here, is one of cultural treatment of our seniors, and it's something that is not related to government or government ideologies and political parties in any way. I think times must change and it's something we have to grapple with.

I had the opportunity to meet with the founder of Running to Daylight and am very supportive of the goal of establishing a system of patient representatives. You may know that I had an opportunity to participate in a government that looked at establishing an advocacy commission because there was a belief that there was a need for some people in our society to have access to advocates. Could you tell us what, as a patient representative, your finding is and what the goal is with respect to a program of patient representatives in the province?

Ms Deutsh: The main goal of the patient representative is to increase the elderly person's access to high-quality health care through representations of the patient. Part of that goal is also to help empower the family and the patient, so if we can empower through guidance and communication and help to communicate with other staff in the hospitals, then that is one level of our role as a patient rep.

The other role is to come into the institution or to meet with the families and assess what their needs are and then to take that into the setting and discuss with the medical personnel the care and try and devise a goal for this patient's care in a non-adversarial way. What it does is allow the family to be able to communicate their concerns, hear the medical concerns and hopefully create a plan that is going to enhance the care of that elderly person.

Does that answer your question?

Ms Lankin: Yes, thank you. I just want to say thank you very much for your foundation's support of this legislative initiative. We're hopeful to work through and find the right kind of language that will meet some of the legitimate concerns that have been raised. I remain committed to having at the base of this initiative a piece of legislation that guarantees rights. I appreciate your support.

The Acting Chair: Ms Hawtin and Ms Deutsh, thank you very much for your presentation this morning.

Ms Lankin, you were wishing to make a motion?

Ms Lankin: Yes, I'd like to place a motion on the table and then, if I may, speak to the rationale for it: that clause-by-clause consideration of Bill 135 commence when the standing committee on Legislative Assembly resumes regular committee meetings during the spring sitting of the Legislature.

The Acting Chair: Could we have a copy of that motion?

Ms Lankin: Yes. Mr Chair, if I could speak to that motion? I would appreciate any comments, thoughts or discussion that may ensue.

As I indicated yesterday in opening comments, there has been tremendous goodwill shown by members of all political parties toward this legislative initiative and I think we want to sort out what's the best way to go forward. The former Minister of Health had expressed interest and had assigned a parliamentary assistant to work with me and there was discussion of having someone within the policy or legal branch of the Ministry of Health that I might have access to to talk about the specifics of the bill, some of the provisions that you've heard people talk to: doctor's order or nurse's order, two hours monitoring or 12 hours monitoring, a range of those sorts of things; how much detail is in legislation and how much is in regulation-some of the comments you heard from the OMA and the RNAO.

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As I indicated, as a private member working with legislative counsel to draft this, MPPs' offices do not have the same access to legislative counsel or to the policy machinery that exists within the ministry. So that's an important next step to get to.

I have not had the opportunity, since the cabinet shuffle last week, to pursue this issue with the new Minister of Health. I'm hoping that support will be there and will continue. It is clear to me that there needs to be some time to do more detailed work, hopefully with the ministry's participation, in terms of any amendments that are brought forward. I think the committee, all of us, would feel unprepared this afternoon to deal with specific amendments. I think we require more support and assistance on policy.

I fully recognize that there is a possibility that all this might be for naught. Rumours abound, and the rumour is that there may be a prorogation of the House. That being the case, it would be necessary for me to introduce a new bill in any event. This work would not be in vain and the work I might be able to do between now and then with representatives of the ministry to develop amendments would also not be in vain, as opposed to an amendment process that would be a new bill that would be introduced, hopefully containing those amendments.

I think it would benefit the process and the quality of the bill, the legislation we're going to consider, to have a period now of a month and a half or so, or whenever the House is called back, to do more substantive work on the provisions of the bill. Hopefully this committee or, with a new bill, whatever committee it's referred to, would deal with that during the spring sitting of the Legislature.

That's the rationale. I would be interested if Mr Tascona feels that's a reasonable process or if he has any comments or advice on that.

The Acting Chair: Further discussion?

Mr Tascona: I appreciate all the work you've put into this. I think we've got some very good input on the process. Certainly if we go to clause-by-clause in the spring, I would anticipate some notice on the amendments that may or may not be brought forth so that the members just don't show up for a meeting without the amendments. That's my only comment on that. I would anticipate the clerk would make arrangements on that, because I think the motion we approved the other day says, "Amendments to the bill will be distributed as available." So I'm anticipating availability, hopefully before the commencement of clause-by-clause.

Ms Lankin: I will certainly give you that undertaking, Mr Tascona.

Mr Tascona: In that vein, I have no difficulty with supporting the motion.

The Acting Chair: Further discussion?

Mr Ouellette: Just a quick question regarding the OHA review. Are you anticipating any outcomes or are there going to be implications to the amendments, and when is the expected completion date of the review?

Ms Lankin: I don't expect that the OHA review will be done in a time period that would inform the amendments to the bill, other than to say that it is possible some of the specific detail we're speaking of may end up reverting to a regulation form, so that the general prohibitions and the general conditions are set out but the details of monitoring could be put in regulations. That could then be informed not just by the OHA review but by the RNAO best practices and a number of things.

I'm sorry, I can't remember the expected completion date, but I know it is not in a time frame that would coincide with the spring legislative session.

The Acting Chair: Further discussion? There being none, I will reread this and then I'll call the question.

It has been moved by Ms Lankin that clause-by-clause consideration of Bill 135 commence when the standing committee on the Legislative Assembly resumes regular committee meetings during the spring sitting of the Legislative Assembly. All in favour? Passed unanimously.

We will adjourn until the call of the Chair.

The committee adjourned at 1215.