Legislative Assembly of Ontario

The committee met at 1602 in committee room 2.

COMMITTEE BUSINESS

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): I call this meeting to order. You have an agenda in front of you. The first item on the agenda is consideration of a motion by Ms. Damerla regarding Bill 11, An Act to amend the Ambulance Act with respect to air ambulance services. You have a copy of that motion.

Any discussion? Yes, Mr. Singh?

Mr. Jagmeet Singh: Chair, I move to defer the consideration of this motion from the member for Mississauga East–Cooksville.

Ms. Dipika Damerla: Chair?

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): Just a moment, please.

Mr. Jagmeet Singh: And I’m presenting that motion in a dilatory fashion.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): The rules are such that, when a motion is taken to defer consideration, we take that vote immediately.

Ms. Dipika Damerla: Chair, I just had a question. I know a dilatory motion means that you cannot debate it, but I had a question: My understanding is that if there’s already a motion on the floor another motion cannot be introduced. I just wanted to understand that.

Mr. Jagmeet Singh: Unless it’s dilatory.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): Yes. Dilatory motions are an exception to that rule.

Ms. Dipika Damerla: And what’s the definition of a dilatory motion?

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): I can give you an example. The definition is that dilatory motions have the effect of superseding, delaying or postponing the consideration of a question before the committee. This includes disposing of the original question, either for the time being or permanently.

Dilatory motions are not debateable or amendable and must be immediately put by the Chair once they are found to be in order. As with other motions, dilatory motions may not be moved on a point of order, and may be moved by any member who has the floor. Any member may request a 20-minute recess when the question is put.

Mr. Mike Colle: Can we have a 20-minute recess, then?

Ms. Dipika Damerla: But before that, I did have a question, Chair. Based on what you said, a dilatory motion can only address a question to the committee. Right? But this is a motion. This is not a question.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): It is an item of business before the committee, but we’re going to put the question on the floor. The question is on the floor. It has been accepted as an acceptable question, and now you have asked for a 20-minute recess.

Ms. Dipika Damerla: Okay.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): There is a 20-minute recess, so you’ll be back at 4:25.

The committee recessed from 1605 to 1625.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): We’re going to call the meeting back to order. We have before us—

Interjections.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): Excuse me, gentlemen. Thank you.

We have before us a deference of the consideration of the motion. There is no debate. All those in favour of the deference in consideration of the motion? All those opposed?

Mr. Mike Colle: Recorded vote.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): It’s too late. The motion has been moved.

Interjections.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): The motion is carried.

Mr. Mike Colle: Why wasn’t there a recorded vote?

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): You have to ask for a recorded vote before we take the vote.

Mr. Mike Colle: How long before?

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): Just before.

Interjection.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): But I already called for the vote.

Ms. Dipika Damerla: Chair?

The Vice-Chair (Ms. Dipika Damerla): Yes, Ms. Damerla.

Ms. Dipika Damerla: Chair, I’d like to move a dilatory motion that would defer report writing on the study related to the auto insurance industry.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): As soon as we move to the next item on the agenda, you’ll be able to put that forward.

AUTOMBILE INSURANCE REVIEW

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): Now we’re going to move to the next item on the agenda, which is the report writing on the study related to the auto insurance industry. Ms. Damerla?

Ms. Dipika Damerla: Chair, I’d like to move a dilatory motion to delay report writing on the study related to the auto insurance industry.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): There is no debate. We’ll take a vote.

Ms. Dipika Damerla: A 20-minute recess, Chair.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): You’d like a 20-minute recess? A 20-minute recess. It’s 4:26. At 4:46, we will resume the meeting.

The committee recessed from 1626 to 1646.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): I have to call the meeting back to order. We have—

Mr. Jeff Yurek: Chair, can I have a recorded vote?

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): Yes, Mr. Yurek, you may have a recorded vote.

We have an item on the agenda. We have the motion to defer report writing on the study related to the auto insurance industry.

Ayes

Damerla, Dhillon.

Nays

Harris, Pettapiece, Sattler, Singh, Yurek.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): That motion fails.

Just before we go into the report writing on the study related to auto insurance, I need to ask the committee whether or not you wish to have the report writing in closed session or in open session.

Mr. Jeff Yurek: Closed.

The Vice-Chair (Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield): Closed session? You just have to give us a few moments so that we can make those arrangements with the Clerk. We’ll go into closed session. We’re going to have about a five-minute recess.

The committee continued in closed session at 1648.

CONTENTS

Wednesday 26 March 2014

Committee business G-573

Autombile insurance review G-574

STANDING COMMITTEE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT

Chair / Président

Mr. Grant Crack (Glengarry–Prescott–Russell L)

Vice-Chair / Vice-Présidente

Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield (Etobicoke Centre / Etobicoke-Centre L)

Ms. Sarah Campbell (Kenora–Rainy River ND)

Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield (Etobicoke Centre / Etobicoke-Centre L)

Mr. Grant Crack (Glengarry–Prescott–Russell L)

Ms. Dipika Damerla (Mississauga East–Cooksville / Mississauga-Est–Cooksville L)

Mr. John Fraser (Ottawa South L)

Mr. Michael Harris (Kitchener–Conestoga PC)

Ms. Peggy Sattler (London West ND)

Ms. Laurie Scott (Haliburton–Kawartha Lakes–Brock PC)

Mr. Jeff Yurek (Elgin–Middlesex–London PC)

Substitutions / Membres remplaçants

Mr. Mike Colle (Eglinton–Lawrence L)

Mr. Vic Dhillon (Brampton West / Brampton-Ouest L)

Mr. Jagmeet Singh (Bramalea–Gore–Malton ND)

Mr. Randy Pettapiece (Perth–Wellington PC)

Mr. Michael Prue (Beaches–East York ND)

Clerk / Greffière

Ms. Sylwia Przezdziecki

Staff / Personnel

Ms. Anne Marzalik, research officer,
Research Services

Mr. Andrew McNaught, research officer,
Research Services